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> Great evidence you have there I see. Evidence of what? That you didn't present any evidence? That's kinda obvious. You just talk out of your ass. > after th

> Great evidence you have there I see. Evidence of what? That you didn't present any evidence? That's kinda obvious. You just talk out of your ass. > after the totally not Russian soldiers appeared. Source? There were no Russian troops in Donbas until 2022. There were volunteers that happen to be Russian, because a lot of Russians have relatives in Donbas and stepped up to help. The was no official operation there. > who were operating that BUK that shot down a passenger jet? It's long been proven that passenger jet was shot by Ukrainians. > I am free to read RIA and other Russian government run media outlets, so I not sure what you mean by this. Maybe you are free to read them, but they will never appear in your feeds and seldom in search queries. Google downranks Russian state media: https://www.yahoo.com/news/2017-11-23-google-will-downrank-russian-state-news-agencies.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/2017-11-23-google-will-downrank-r... Even "pro-unfiltered search" DuckDuckGo downranks Russian media: https://winepressnews.com/2022/03/10/duck-duck-go-will-now-start-down-ranking-sites-associated-with-russian-disinformation/ https://winepressnews.com/2022/03/10/duck-duck-go-will-now-s... YouTube bans Russian state funded channels globally: https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/youtube-blocks-russian-state-funded-media-channels-globally-2022-03-11/ https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/youtube-block... Pro-russian blogger Stas Ikakprosto had all his channels removed by YouTube with no explanation: https://m.vk.com/wall-147782201_594673&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiChenxmK79AhWPxosKHYFNBPUQFnoECAQQAg&usg=AOvVaw0emCU7yWPhR0m1-b9Th1B2 https://m.vk.com/wall-147782201_594673&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiChen... Previously "Goblin's" channels were removed in a similar fashion: https://thenewsdept.com/trending/132885.html https://thenewsdept.com/trending/132885.html Even anti-Putin channel that was broadcasting in Russia for 12 years until they fled to Latvia was banned after merely 4 months of broadcast: https://sweden.postsen.com/news/59011/The-Putin-critical-TV-channel-Dozjd-loses-its-broadcast-license-in-Latvia.html https://sweden.postsen.com/news/59011/The-Putin-critical-TV-... Cherry on top - Musk relevealed documents on twitters censorship: https://nypost.com/2022/12/02/elon-musk-releases-twitters-files-on-censorship-of-post/ https://nypost.com/2022/12/02/elon-musk-releases-twitters-fi... That's not all of course. That is just the stuff that wasn't that hard to find. Is that sufficient enough evidence for you? Censorship on the west is even more severe than in Russia. Because in Russia you can at least use VPN to sidestep a block, but in the west they just remove your stuff or hide it so no one can ever find and read you. Either you are just ignorant or deliberately manipulative. > my truth is better because it's objectively true, where yours is trying to muddy the waters to further Russian agendas. So far you haven't presented any proof of your "objectively true truth", so shut the fuck up. > But the Russians are doing this because we have confessions and video evidence? Russians who? Russian cashier in a storefront? Russian factory workers? Russian engineers? Why tf you generalize 150 million people so carelessly? Criminals are everywhere. Would you be ok with me calling your entire nation criminals if I saw a video of one of you murdering someone? > It's not really about hating the entire nation, its more an expression What tf is this nonsense? Please elaborate. > What sources, you haven't posted any? Idk, maybe the one that you sarcastically called "reliable" earlier? > But why would they post a video of _UKRAINIANS_ castrating Ukrainians, claiming for it to be them? This makes perfect sense. It's a statement along the lines of "see Ukrainians castrate Ukrainians, Russians don't castrate Ukrainians, so better give up and you'll be perfectly safe". Don't you get it?

_kbh_ 4y ago
> Source? There were no Russian troops in Donbas until 2022. There were volunteers that happen to be Russian, because a lot of Russians have relatives in Donbas and stepped up to help. The was no official operation there. A yes volunteers that happen to be Russian, with Russian weapons, and Russian equipment funny that isn't it. > It's long been proven that passenger jet was shot by Ukrainians. There was literally a court case about this that just ended in the Hauge, findings where the Russians shot it down, but im sure you won't believe any of that evidence because it's inconvenient. > So far you haven't presented any proof of your "objectively true truth", so shut the fuck up. Theres no need to be rude, personal attacks against people are against the rules on hacker news. If you cannot calmly state your views then maybe don't comment. > Russians who? Russian cashier in a storefront? Russian factory workers? Russian engineers? Why tf you generalize 150 million people so carelessly? Criminals are everywhere. Would you be ok with me calling your entire nation criminals if I saw a video of one of you murdering someone? Russian soldiers, have been seen on camera many times just straight out executing citizens, I mean im sure you'll find a way to justify a Russian tank deleting a vehicle in a town they where meant to be 'liberating'. > This makes perfect sense. It's a statement along the lines of "see Ukrainians castrate Ukrainians, Russians don't castrate Ukrainians, so better give up and you'll be perfectly safe". Don't you get it? But they posted it AS them castrating the Ukrainian, so once again this is just straight up mind blowingly stupid. > What tf is this nonsense? Please elaborate. The Russians have a reputation for kinda doing terrible things during wars so saying something like "it's just Russians being Russians" is not meant to be literally applied to every Russian but more to the situation.
- akamaine 4y ago
  > A yes volunteers that happen to be Russian, with Russian weapons, and Russian equipment funny that isn't it. Let me ask you this: is everyone who owns an American gun an American trooper? > you won't believe any of that evidence because... ...you will never deliver it. This seems to be a reoccurring problem with you. I've already pointed out that you don't link your sources, and you keep talking out of your ass. > Theres no need to be rude, personal attacks against people are against the rules on hacker news. It's not a personal attack, my dear. Personal attack is an appeal to some quality of an opponent. There was none. I just told you, that if you can't back up your crazy "objectively true" claims then better keep them to yourself. > Russian soldiers, have been seen on camera many times just straight out executing citizens, I mean im sure you'll find a way to justify a Russian tank deleting a vehicle in a town they where meant to be 'liberating'. Ukrainian soldiers, have been seen on camera many times just straight out executing citizens, I mean im sure you'll find a way to justify a Ukrainian tank shooting at a school in a town they where meant to be 'liberating'. > But they posted it AS them castrating the Ukrainian, so once again this is just straight up mind blowingly stupid. It was just a theory. Since you haven't linked the source yet, I'm not aware of the whole context of this post. So yeah. Sources again. > The Russians have a reputation for kinda doing terrible things during wars so saying something like "it's just Russians being Russians" is not meant to be literally applied to every Russian but more to the situation. How exactly did they get such reputation? Ah, USA propaganda, alright. Ever since the cold war they were trying to smear reputation of USSR soilders, now they do the same shit to Russia. Let's take for example the "Bucha massacre". Ukrainian trooper's posted horrifying pictures of bodies laying all over the street, they claim it's Russians who did it. ONE HOUR LATER western politicians already post shit like "WE KNOW THE TRUTH, ITS RUSSIA WHO DID IT". No investigation required. Ukraine can post ANYTHING, and they will happily accept it. Because it's convenient. Yet the Russian side was on the more rational side, actually trying to investigate stuff, a lot of people noticed that circumstances about this incident just didn't match up. But the west didn't care. And the amount of such cases is just too big now. It's much easier to produce bullshit than to disprove it. But the fact is it's USA army who's known for atrocities during war. Like shit they did in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Yemen, Iraq, Pakistan, Libya, and so and so on... They were ruthless. The amount of war crimes committed by them just in 21st century probably exceeds all of humanity previously. Their officials singing in a cheery voice shit like "bomb bomb bomb Iran". Why don't you talk shit about them? Ah, they were bombing brown people, they probably are worth less to you.

_kbh_ 4y ago

> Source? There were no Russian troops in Donbas until 2022. There were volunteers that happen to be Russian, because a lot of Russians have relatives in Donbas and stepped up to help. The was no official operation there. A yes volunteers that happen to be Russian, with Russian weapons, and Russian equipment funny that isn't it. > It's long been proven that passenger jet was shot by Ukrainians. There was literally a court case about this that just ended in the Hauge, findings where the Russians shot it down, but im sure you won't believe any of that evidence because it's inconvenient. > So far you haven't presented any proof of your "objectively true truth", so shut the fuck up. Theres no need to be rude, personal attacks against people are against the rules on hacker news. If you cannot calmly state your views then maybe don't comment. > Russians who? Russian cashier in a storefront? Russian factory workers? Russian engineers? Why tf you generalize 150 million people so carelessly? Criminals are everywhere. Would you be ok with me calling your entire nation criminals if I saw a video of one of you murdering someone? Russian soldiers, have been seen on camera many times just straight out executing citizens, I mean im sure you'll find a way to justify a Russian tank deleting a vehicle in a town they where meant to be 'liberating'. > This makes perfect sense. It's a statement along the lines of "see Ukrainians castrate Ukrainians, Russians don't castrate Ukrainians, so better give up and you'll be perfectly safe". Don't you get it? But they posted it AS them castrating the Ukrainian, so once again this is just straight up mind blowingly stupid. > What tf is this nonsense? Please elaborate. The Russians have a reputation for kinda doing terrible things during wars so saying something like "it's just Russians being Russians" is not meant to be literally applied to every Russian but more to the situation.

akamaine 4y ago
> A yes volunteers that happen to be Russian, with Russian weapons, and Russian equipment funny that isn't it. Let me ask you this: is everyone who owns an American gun an American trooper? > you won't believe any of that evidence because... ...you will never deliver it. This seems to be a reoccurring problem with you. I've already pointed out that you don't link your sources, and you keep talking out of your ass. > Theres no need to be rude, personal attacks against people are against the rules on hacker news. It's not a personal attack, my dear. Personal attack is an appeal to some quality of an opponent. There was none. I just told you, that if you can't back up your crazy "objectively true" claims then better keep them to yourself. > Russian soldiers, have been seen on camera many times just straight out executing citizens, I mean im sure you'll find a way to justify a Russian tank deleting a vehicle in a town they where meant to be 'liberating'. Ukrainian soldiers, have been seen on camera many times just straight out executing citizens, I mean im sure you'll find a way to justify a Ukrainian tank shooting at a school in a town they where meant to be 'liberating'. > But they posted it AS them castrating the Ukrainian, so once again this is just straight up mind blowingly stupid. It was just a theory. Since you haven't linked the source yet, I'm not aware of the whole context of this post. So yeah. Sources again. > The Russians have a reputation for kinda doing terrible things during wars so saying something like "it's just Russians being Russians" is not meant to be literally applied to every Russian but more to the situation. How exactly did they get such reputation? Ah, USA propaganda, alright. Ever since the cold war they were trying to smear reputation of USSR soilders, now they do the same shit to Russia. Let's take for example the "Bucha massacre". Ukrainian trooper's posted horrifying pictures of bodies laying all over the street, they claim it's Russians who did it. ONE HOUR LATER western politicians already post shit like "WE KNOW THE TRUTH, ITS RUSSIA WHO DID IT". No investigation required. Ukraine can post ANYTHING, and they will happily accept it. Because it's convenient. Yet the Russian side was on the more rational side, actually trying to investigate stuff, a lot of people noticed that circumstances about this incident just didn't match up. But the west didn't care. And the amount of such cases is just too big now. It's much easier to produce bullshit than to disprove it. But the fact is it's USA army who's known for atrocities during war. Like shit they did in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Yemen, Iraq, Pakistan, Libya, and so and so on... They were ruthless. The amount of war crimes committed by them just in 21st century probably exceeds all of humanity previously. Their officials singing in a cheery voice shit like "bomb bomb bomb Iran". Why don't you talk shit about them? Ah, they were bombing brown people, they probably are worth less to you.