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I’m sorry, but if that’s your idea of freedom, you can fucking keep it. Our police, though not saints, don’t shoot unarmed people. At least in Britain we are fr

by sbuk 4y ago

I’m sorry, but if that’s your idea of freedom, you can fucking keep it. Our police, though not saints, don’t shoot unarmed people. At least in Britain we are free from being shot in school.

jojobas 4y ago
Americans kill more people by non-gun means than say Australians total (per year per 100k). Whatever their problem is it's not guns.
- Nextgrid 4y ago
  Guns are definitely a major problem - a lot of people who shouldn't have access to guns do and use them. I'm not talking about intentional, targeted murders or settling gang disputes - those will happen anyway regardless of the law. However, easy access to guns mean that people in an unstable mental state might use one to commit (mass?) murder in an act of folly that they would otherwise not do (or at the very least significantly reduce the amount of victims if they had to use a knife instead of a ranged weapon).
  - Bloating 4y ago
    Only in California, where they cause cancer
  - jojobas 4y ago
    Those who want to kill a lot of people just rent a truck and wait for a big public gathering. What you describe is a definition of a nanny state.
  - staringback 4y ago
    > I'm not talking about intentional, targeted murders or settling gang disputes Once you exclude these.... > commit (mass?) murder in an act of folly that they would otherwise not do These become so rare that they are effectively non existent when compared to literally any other cause of death.
- dTal 4y ago
  Guns are a problem. Yes, America has an incredibly violent "macho" culture for a so-called first world country, in general and not just as it pertains to firearms. It's probable that the high rate of gun ownership is a symptom of this rather than a cause. But given that this is the case, proliferating the means for people to easily murder each other in such a society is obviously going to exacerbate things.
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Nextgrid 4y ago
On the other hand, Britain's obsession with banning knives/sharp objects appears to be unique - many countries have no such restrictions and yet they don't seem to have a stabbing epidemic.
- Dudeman112 4y ago
  >many countries have no such restrictions and yet they don't seem to have a stabbing epidemic Are you implying there's a stabbing epidemic in Britain? (apologies if I'm misunderstanding that) Britain doesn't have a stabbing epidemic[1]. It's a meme Media attention made the obsession, not whatever actually happens in the real world. Ah, if only people cared as much about heart and brain diseases :( [1] https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/stabbing-deaths-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/stabbing-... (click on Rate per 100k on the last table)
  - Nextgrid 4y ago
    > Are you implying there's a stabbing epidemic in Britain? No, my point is that the insane knife restrictions we have aren't actually necessary since many countries lack such restrictions and still don't end up with a stabbing epidemic as a result.
  - jojobas 4y ago
    The fact that the police does confiscate sharp objects and arrests and prosecutes people leaves you with two possibilities: 1) There is in fact a need to curb knife crime, without these measures people would die a lot more. 2) There is no significant risk of knife crime, UK uses arbitrary law application to harass undesirable individuals and/or instill a "harmless mindset" into its subjects. Not sure what's worse.
908B64B197 4y ago
Yet there are significantly more British citizens moving to America than the reverse. So they do seek the American Freedom and Constitution. Massive brain drain (despite the predictions it would flow the other way around thanks to the 2016 election). Always puzzled me.
- pixelpoet 4y ago
  It doesn't automatically follow that people moving to America means they want the American Freedom (proper noun?) and Constitution. As for the brain drain aspect, it's said that people who move from New Zealand to Australia raise the average IQ of both countries; they are very obviously moving for the higher salaries rather than freedom and constitution.
nyolfen 4y ago
the total number of unarmed shootings by police each year in the US is in the double digits in a country of 400m. how many kids got raped in rotherham?

by sbuk 4y ago

I’m sorry, but if that’s your idea of freedom, you can fucking keep it. Our police, though not saints, don’t shoot unarmed people. At least in Britain we are free from being shot in school.

jojobas 4y ago

Americans kill more people by non-gun means than say Australians total (per year per 100k). Whatever their problem is it's not guns.

Nextgrid 4y ago
Guns are definitely a major problem - a lot of people who shouldn't have access to guns do and use them. I'm not talking about intentional, targeted murders or settling gang disputes - those will happen anyway regardless of the law. However, easy access to guns mean that people in an unstable mental state might use one to commit (mass?) murder in an act of folly that they would otherwise not do (or at the very least significantly reduce the amount of victims if they had to use a knife instead of a ranged weapon).
- Bloating 4y ago
  Only in California, where they cause cancer
- jojobas 4y ago
  Those who want to kill a lot of people just rent a truck and wait for a big public gathering. What you describe is a definition of a nanny state.
- staringback 4y ago
  > I'm not talking about intentional, targeted murders or settling gang disputes Once you exclude these.... > commit (mass?) murder in an act of folly that they would otherwise not do These become so rare that they are effectively non existent when compared to literally any other cause of death.
dTal 4y ago
Guns are a problem. Yes, America has an incredibly violent "macho" culture for a so-called first world country, in general and not just as it pertains to firearms. It's probable that the high rate of gun ownership is a symptom of this rather than a cause. But given that this is the case, proliferating the means for people to easily murder each other in such a society is obviously going to exacerbate things.

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Nextgrid 4y ago

On the other hand, Britain's obsession with banning knives/sharp objects appears to be unique - many countries have no such restrictions and yet they don't seem to have a stabbing epidemic.

Dudeman112 4y ago
>many countries have no such restrictions and yet they don't seem to have a stabbing epidemic Are you implying there's a stabbing epidemic in Britain? (apologies if I'm misunderstanding that) Britain doesn't have a stabbing epidemic[1]. It's a meme Media attention made the obsession, not whatever actually happens in the real world. Ah, if only people cared as much about heart and brain diseases :( [1] https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/stabbing-deaths-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/stabbing-... (click on Rate per 100k on the last table)
- Nextgrid 4y ago
  > Are you implying there's a stabbing epidemic in Britain? No, my point is that the insane knife restrictions we have aren't actually necessary since many countries lack such restrictions and still don't end up with a stabbing epidemic as a result.
- jojobas 4y ago
  The fact that the police does confiscate sharp objects and arrests and prosecutes people leaves you with two possibilities: 1) There is in fact a need to curb knife crime, without these measures people would die a lot more. 2) There is no significant risk of knife crime, UK uses arbitrary law application to harass undesirable individuals and/or instill a "harmless mindset" into its subjects. Not sure what's worse.

908B64B197 4y ago

Yet there are significantly more British citizens moving to America than the reverse. So they do seek the American Freedom and Constitution. Massive brain drain (despite the predictions it would flow the other way around thanks to the 2016 election). Always puzzled me.

pixelpoet 4y ago
It doesn't automatically follow that people moving to America means they want the American Freedom (proper noun?) and Constitution. As for the brain drain aspect, it's said that people who move from New Zealand to Australia raise the average IQ of both countries; they are very obviously moving for the higher salaries rather than freedom and constitution.

nyolfen 4y ago

the total number of unarmed shootings by police each year in the US is in the double digits in a country of 400m. how many kids got raped in rotherham?