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The problem with Tesla right now is Elon Musk. I know a few people FIRST HAND who sold their Tesla or decided to buy a different brand EV because of Elon's beha

The problem with Tesla right now is Elon Musk. I know a few people FIRST HAND who sold their Tesla or decided to buy a different brand EV because of Elon's behavior. I doubt conservatives are interested in EV market. Liberals were Elon's core loyal customer. That's my 2 cents.

cbeach 4y ago
As a counterpoint, I know people first hand who admired what Elon did for freedom of expression on social media, and now they are more familiar with, and willing to buy, a Tesla. Perhaps it’s not obvious to those in the Californian tech bubble, but First Amendment rights matter a lot to the rest of America. By becoming the richest man in the world, and now the most notable man in social media, Elon has brought huge brand awareness of Tesla. And most people aren’t so politically tribal that they would choose an inferior BEV because “elon bad”
- intellix 4y ago
  Freedom of speech but then silences who he wants. I was also interested in a Tesla due to full self driving capabilities but seems that was a lie as well.
  - kwere 4y ago
    FSD is the closest thing on the market to a real self driving through marketing was misleading. Tik Tok sleeping people on the highways is a dystopic byproduct of its result. FSD seems safer than average human driver now[0], good enough one could say but the legislator and the media seems biased towards a zero accidents safe, wich could be years or decades away [0]https://www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tesmanian-blog/tesla-autopilot-is-x9-safer-tesla-vehicles-are-x2-safer-than-cars-of-other-brands https://www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tesmanian-blog/tesla-autopil...
    - keneda7 4y ago
      I am not sure for how much longer that will remain true. Mercedes seems to be getting closer and closer. https://www.theverge.com/2023/1/27/23572942/mercedes-drive-pilot-level-3-approved-nevada https://www.theverge.com/2023/1/27/23572942/mercedes-drive-p...
bogantech 4y ago
Funny how the likeability of the CEO is only a consideration when it comes to Tesla and any other manufacturer. Probably the kind of people to buy a Tesla as a virtue signal more than anything else
- aa-jv 4y ago
  The likeability of the CEO of Pfizer or Boeing or Raytheon doesn't seem to bother the ethics of their investors .. in this case its more that Musk is just too successful, and overt about it. I think that's what really pisses people off... he's in a league of his own, and anyone on Earth is capable of cutting that poppy...
- NineStarPoint 4y ago
  Most people don't know the names of the CEOs of any of the other manufacturers. The flip side is also true, that there are people who wanted to own a Tesla just because Elon's name was attached to it. Being a celebrity is very much a double edged sword. But, like all situations...you hear about the people who make a decision based on this sort of stuff. The vast majority aren't going to talk about what they didn't care about when making a decision after all, and I think it's reasonable to say that most people just don't care.
inglor_cz 4y ago
Might be just an effect in your bubble. Globally, Tesla is expanding like crazy, both revenue and profit. People on Twitter obsess all the time about what is "insulting", but most of the market could not care less about Twitter crowd sensitivities. Indeed, it is remarkable how little effect do all these shitstorms have; and, vice versa, the fact that some corporation has loudly joined the woke bandwagon, does not cause any jumps in their revenue or even stability. Many of the DEI-infested tech companies are now laying off people by the thousands. TL;DR: An average consumer does not care the slightest bit about the latest outrages on the fronts of the culture wars.
- kwere 4y ago
  One can say embracing wokeism/extreme polarization has been really bad for media companies from Fox to Disney passing trough Netflix
berry_sortoro 4y ago
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cbeach 4y ago

As a counterpoint, I know people first hand who admired what Elon did for freedom of expression on social media, and now they are more familiar with, and willing to buy, a Tesla. Perhaps it’s not obvious to those in the Californian tech bubble, but First Amendment rights matter a lot to the rest of America. By becoming the richest man in the world, and now the most notable man in social media, Elon has brought huge brand awareness of Tesla. And most people aren’t so politically tribal that they would choose an inferior BEV because “elon bad”

intellix 4y ago
Freedom of speech but then silences who he wants. I was also interested in a Tesla due to full self driving capabilities but seems that was a lie as well.
- kwere 4y ago
  FSD is the closest thing on the market to a real self driving through marketing was misleading. Tik Tok sleeping people on the highways is a dystopic byproduct of its result. FSD seems safer than average human driver now[0], good enough one could say but the legislator and the media seems biased towards a zero accidents safe, wich could be years or decades away [0]https://www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tesmanian-blog/tesla-autopilot-is-x9-safer-tesla-vehicles-are-x2-safer-than-cars-of-other-brands https://www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tesmanian-blog/tesla-autopil...
  - keneda7 4y ago
    I am not sure for how much longer that will remain true. Mercedes seems to be getting closer and closer. https://www.theverge.com/2023/1/27/23572942/mercedes-drive-pilot-level-3-approved-nevada https://www.theverge.com/2023/1/27/23572942/mercedes-drive-p...

bogantech 4y ago

Funny how the likeability of the CEO is only a consideration when it comes to Tesla and any other manufacturer. Probably the kind of people to buy a Tesla as a virtue signal more than anything else

aa-jv 4y ago
The likeability of the CEO of Pfizer or Boeing or Raytheon doesn't seem to bother the ethics of their investors .. in this case its more that Musk is just too successful, and overt about it. I think that's what really pisses people off... he's in a league of his own, and anyone on Earth is capable of cutting that poppy...
NineStarPoint 4y ago
Most people don't know the names of the CEOs of any of the other manufacturers. The flip side is also true, that there are people who wanted to own a Tesla just because Elon's name was attached to it. Being a celebrity is very much a double edged sword. But, like all situations...you hear about the people who make a decision based on this sort of stuff. The vast majority aren't going to talk about what they didn't care about when making a decision after all, and I think it's reasonable to say that most people just don't care.

inglor_cz 4y ago

Might be just an effect in your bubble. Globally, Tesla is expanding like crazy, both revenue and profit. People on Twitter obsess all the time about what is "insulting", but most of the market could not care less about Twitter crowd sensitivities. Indeed, it is remarkable how little effect do all these shitstorms have; and, vice versa, the fact that some corporation has loudly joined the woke bandwagon, does not cause any jumps in their revenue or even stability. Many of the DEI-infested tech companies are now laying off people by the thousands. TL;DR: An average consumer does not care the slightest bit about the latest outrages on the fronts of the culture wars.

kwere 4y ago
One can say embracing wokeism/extreme polarization has been really bad for media companies from Fox to Disney passing trough Netflix

berry_sortoro 4y ago

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