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> depends In fact it works with the provided example but, empirically, it does not on area detail of detailed maps. Crests and valleys will switch. > computer

by mdp2021 4y ago

> depends In fact it works with the provided example but, empirically, it does not on area detail of detailed maps. Crests and valleys will switch. > computer UI buttons That is a consequence of consolidated established style, not a cause. > the whole of Africa It will work on the view of the full shape but it will not on the area detail, where the viewer will lose the notion of global position and attempt to interpret it like any other spot.

pixelesque 4y ago
> In fact it works with the provided example but, empirically, it does not on area detail of detailed maps. Crests and valleys will switch. I don't think that's always the case though: I think it's likely similar to optical illusions: you can technically correctly see it both ways, but it depends on the person's brain and what they're used to as to how their brain sees it. > That is a consequence of consolidated established style, not a cause. I didn't say it was a cause, I said that it might lead people to be able to more readily recognise top/left as the lighting direction more readily as "raised" due to being used to computer UIs having top/left being lighter signifying raised elements, and them being more familiar with it that way.
- mdp2021 4y ago
  > always the case Try it. In my initial experiments as a cartographer, as is normal for learners I did "fix it", and tried "boreal morning or afternoon real light directions": the effect will be wrong, in an actual map. ...Learners "make it the right way" and learn that the """right""" way is wrong. > more readily Sure consolidated UIs will contribute in the spiral of circular consolidation of natural ("brain") patterns and conventions, but the "light from top-left" use predates UIs by very many centuries: when we read a document it is more typical to have it lit, not darkened by one's own shadow from a body interposed between sun and document; when we gather around a fire we face it.

pixelesque 4y ago

> In fact it works with the provided example but, empirically, it does not on area detail of detailed maps. Crests and valleys will switch. I don't think that's always the case though: I think it's likely similar to optical illusions: you can technically correctly see it both ways, but it depends on the person's brain and what they're used to as to how their brain sees it. > That is a consequence of consolidated established style, not a cause. I didn't say it was a cause, I said that it might lead people to be able to more readily recognise top/left as the lighting direction more readily as "raised" due to being used to computer UIs having top/left being lighter signifying raised elements, and them being more familiar with it that way.

mdp2021 4y ago
> always the case Try it. In my initial experiments as a cartographer, as is normal for learners I did "fix it", and tried "boreal morning or afternoon real light directions": the effect will be wrong, in an actual map. ...Learners "make it the right way" and learn that the """right""" way is wrong. > more readily Sure consolidated UIs will contribute in the spiral of circular consolidation of natural ("brain") patterns and conventions, but the "light from top-left" use predates UIs by very many centuries: when we read a document it is more typical to have it lit, not darkened by one's own shadow from a body interposed between sun and document; when we gather around a fire we face it.