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> often, they correspond with individual Hacker News readers over e-mail, coaching and encouraging them in long, heartfelt exchanges. I think this is outdated,

> often, they correspond with individual Hacker News readers over e-mail, coaching and encouraging them in long, heartfelt exchanges. I think this is outdated, or flat out not true. I have had particularly sour engagements with dang specifically. I asked him to reach out to me via email and he just kept pushing the matter in public. Pretty poor handling all around, and completely lacking inclusivity or self-awareness for a "seasoned professional." I'm glad it's daisies and roses for most of you, but some of us have not seen such kindness. Ultimately you have to ask yourself if moderation has fostered an environment of growth and evolution, or an echo chamber. In my experience I have seen more of the latter on HN, and it's concerning.

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kergonath 4y ago
> I think this is outdated, or flat out not true. It is entirely true, as of a couple of weeks ago.
- bobleeswagger 4y ago
  Like I said, I'm still waiting to experience it. As far as I can tell, most moderation of HN is done in public, not in private over email.
  - dang 4y ago
    I probably spend more time in email than on the site, unfortunately—or at least it feels that way. I hear you that you didn't get a satisfying email response, and I'm sorry about that. It's possible that I screwed up. Actually, it's likely that I screwed up, because you're posting this some time later and it's my job not to leave people feeling this way. Without details, though, it's impossible to say what happened. I probably wouldn't email a user who just said "email me" in a public comment. But if you wrote in to hn@ycombinator.com and I didn't read or hear you or reply in a way that met your concern, then I'm sorry.
    - bobleeswagger 4y ago
      > Without details You'd think this small thread you replied to would be enough detail if you were willing to reply in the first place. Look at my original post. Simply sharing my experience (which is on-topic). It currently sits at -3, while other comments praising moderation here are mostly positive. This is a pattern I am noticing across more than one thread, in more than one day, with more than one user. It's not an anomaly. Replies to me are from folks lacking self-awareness, who think their experience somehow trumps or invalidates mine. Nobody is directly addressing my concerns. Just brushing them off and piling on. You should recognize there is a growing majority at HN who perpetuate this "SV" flavor of culture, and you should recognize that your inability to scale efficiently is detrimental to the long term growth of HN. Ironically, against the users most willing to help you do better, you level threats publicly and cite HN rules as if they have any relevance. Frankly, it seems you are blissfully unaware of how much of an echo chamber exists here, or that you are directly perpetuating it. It's concerning. Flagging comments and downvotes are actively abused for censorship, and you clearly have no idea how to fix it. You think the system is working, what if it has always been horribly broken...? It's even more concerning that seemingly every other member at HN gets white glove treatment, yet I am still wondering when I will be treated like a human by the staff.
      - motoxpro 4y ago
        No one is out to get you bud. You just had a different experience than most people here, hence the downvotes.
        telis 4y ago
        …I’m out to get him… but jokes aside. I see his point. I’m not really active online for the majority of my usage of sites like this. I’m just here for the content. Rarely I will submit something interesting I come across but over the years I’ve noticed the cycles of the same sites and the same content. The “Dead Internet Theory” really does resonate with me. I’ve been browsing HN since ‘06 when Tesla was just the weird roadster maker.
tptacek 4y ago
You could provide a link to the public exchange, so we can see the bad experience you had and evaluate it ourselves.
- bobleeswagger 4y ago
  Is that why I shared the experience...? So randos can play jury? Just look at how popular my original comment is. There's clearly a culture lean here and I'm not going to feed into it. I'm going to call it out and laugh when I'm proven right.
  - tough 4y ago
    You have the mail in the Contact in the bottom of every page hn@ycombinator.com They're kind enough to respond when time allows if it ain't urgent only good words from my side for Dan G.
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kergonath 4y ago

> I think this is outdated, or flat out not true. It is entirely true, as of a couple of weeks ago.

bobleeswagger 4y ago
Like I said, I'm still waiting to experience it. As far as I can tell, most moderation of HN is done in public, not in private over email.
- dang 4y ago
  I probably spend more time in email than on the site, unfortunately—or at least it feels that way. I hear you that you didn't get a satisfying email response, and I'm sorry about that. It's possible that I screwed up. Actually, it's likely that I screwed up, because you're posting this some time later and it's my job not to leave people feeling this way. Without details, though, it's impossible to say what happened. I probably wouldn't email a user who just said "email me" in a public comment. But if you wrote in to hn@ycombinator.com and I didn't read or hear you or reply in a way that met your concern, then I'm sorry.
  - bobleeswagger 4y ago
    > Without details You'd think this small thread you replied to would be enough detail if you were willing to reply in the first place. Look at my original post. Simply sharing my experience (which is on-topic). It currently sits at -3, while other comments praising moderation here are mostly positive. This is a pattern I am noticing across more than one thread, in more than one day, with more than one user. It's not an anomaly. Replies to me are from folks lacking self-awareness, who think their experience somehow trumps or invalidates mine. Nobody is directly addressing my concerns. Just brushing them off and piling on. You should recognize there is a growing majority at HN who perpetuate this "SV" flavor of culture, and you should recognize that your inability to scale efficiently is detrimental to the long term growth of HN. Ironically, against the users most willing to help you do better, you level threats publicly and cite HN rules as if they have any relevance. Frankly, it seems you are blissfully unaware of how much of an echo chamber exists here, or that you are directly perpetuating it. It's concerning. Flagging comments and downvotes are actively abused for censorship, and you clearly have no idea how to fix it. You think the system is working, what if it has always been horribly broken...? It's even more concerning that seemingly every other member at HN gets white glove treatment, yet I am still wondering when I will be treated like a human by the staff.
    - motoxpro 4y ago
      No one is out to get you bud. You just had a different experience than most people here, hence the downvotes.
      - telis 4y ago
        …I’m out to get him… but jokes aside. I see his point. I’m not really active online for the majority of my usage of sites like this. I’m just here for the content. Rarely I will submit something interesting I come across but over the years I’ve noticed the cycles of the same sites and the same content. The “Dead Internet Theory” really does resonate with me. I’ve been browsing HN since ‘06 when Tesla was just the weird roadster maker.

tptacek 4y ago

You could provide a link to the public exchange, so we can see the bad experience you had and evaluate it ourselves.

bobleeswagger 4y ago
Is that why I shared the experience...? So randos can play jury? Just look at how popular my original comment is. There's clearly a culture lean here and I'm not going to feed into it. I'm going to call it out and laugh when I'm proven right.
- tough 4y ago
  You have the mail in the Contact in the bottom of every page hn@ycombinator.com They're kind enough to respond when time allows if it ain't urgent only good words from my side for Dan G.
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