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Lagging isn't always a bad thing. Users of Debian Stable missed Heartbleed entirely. But this gets to the mindset that bugs me about Flatpak, the magical think

Lagging isn't always a bad thing. Users of Debian Stable missed Heartbleed entirely. But this gets to the mindset that bugs me about Flatpak, the magical thinking that regressions don't happen. It's why Alice can't downgrade a system flatpak because it might introduce a vulnerability she uses to attack Bob, but it's absolutely fine if she upgrades to introduce that vulnerability.

gapan 4y ago
While I generally agree with you with respect to the mindset, it is actually possible to downgrade a flatpak [1]. It is rather involved, but possible. I have done it to downgrade cheese (the webcam app) since newer versions don't have the filters that older ones did, at least not for me. [1]: https://itsfoss.com/downgrade-flatpak-packages/ https://itsfoss.com/downgrade-flatpak-packages/
- UltimateEdge 4y ago
  > it is actually possible to downgrade a flatpak Only when the version you want to downgrade to happens to be within the last 10 versions! Why 10? Beats me! Case in point: the flatpak package for the Element messaging client seems to be the preferred installation method for non-debian distros. But for many users, encrypted message search is broken! [1] [2] Some users claim that downgrading can fix the issue, but the flatpak has been updated too many times now for any user to downgrade to an old enough version - tough luck! [1] https://github.com/vector-im/element-web/issues?q=is%3Aissue+%22Error+getting+the+event+index+passphrase+out+of+the+secret+store%22 https://github.com/vector-im/element-web/issues?q=is%3Aissue... [2] https://github.com/flathub/im.riot.Riot/issues?q=is%3Aissue+%22Error+getting+the+event+index+passphrase+out+of+the+secret+store%22+ https://github.com/flathub/im.riot.Riot/issues?q=is%3Aissue+...
- bandrami 4y ago
  It is! I have to do it with Mixxx because of some weird GL bugs they're having in 2.3.3. But it's a privileged operation compared to upgrading, which is crazy.

gapan 4y ago

While I generally agree with you with respect to the mindset, it is actually possible to downgrade a flatpak [1]. It is rather involved, but possible. I have done it to downgrade cheese (the webcam app) since newer versions don't have the filters that older ones did, at least not for me. [1]: https://itsfoss.com/downgrade-flatpak-packages/ https://itsfoss.com/downgrade-flatpak-packages/

UltimateEdge 4y ago
> it is actually possible to downgrade a flatpak Only when the version you want to downgrade to happens to be within the last 10 versions! Why 10? Beats me! Case in point: the flatpak package for the Element messaging client seems to be the preferred installation method for non-debian distros. But for many users, encrypted message search is broken! [1] [2] Some users claim that downgrading can fix the issue, but the flatpak has been updated too many times now for any user to downgrade to an old enough version - tough luck! [1] https://github.com/vector-im/element-web/issues?q=is%3Aissue+%22Error+getting+the+event+index+passphrase+out+of+the+secret+store%22 https://github.com/vector-im/element-web/issues?q=is%3Aissue... [2] https://github.com/flathub/im.riot.Riot/issues?q=is%3Aissue+%22Error+getting+the+event+index+passphrase+out+of+the+secret+store%22+ https://github.com/flathub/im.riot.Riot/issues?q=is%3Aissue+...
bandrami 4y ago
It is! I have to do it with Mixxx because of some weird GL bugs they're having in 2.3.3. But it's a privileged operation compared to upgrading, which is crazy.