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This is based on my own biased opinion... It can happen for a number of reasons and isn't necessarily with securing a webserver. Sometimes security issues get

This is based on my own biased opinion... It can happen for a number of reasons and isn't necessarily with securing a webserver. Sometimes security issues get that "well, it isn't an issue right now" view and get put in a backlog and never resolved. Other cases it is a lack of good code reviews or security reviews. Or inexperienced developers (at least inexperienced with that kind of security). From a Dreamhost employee (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3491643 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3491643), that code was from 1999. Could have been any one of the above. The truly sad part is the number of examples of this kind of thing blowing up yet companies are still making the same mistake. At what point does someone think of checking their own apps password practices to ensure they aren't next?

dredmorbius 15y ago
One practice that's starting to help, a bit, and it pains me to say it, is security audits. There are a few standards emerging for SAAS services, especially at the B2B level. And as startups (or non-startups) start intersecting with large, regulated, publicly-held businesses, these requirements propagate, and with audits, receive multiple reviews. The process is far from perfect, and many of the standards are laughably lax (and yet ... they still aren't met). Because they're standards, the requests are fairly uniform. A number of issues regarding Dreamhost have been on my own back burner for months, and I'm finally getting that Round Tuit this afternoon. Pushing for good, solid standards would be a net benefit. That's the silver lining here.
- krobertson 15y ago
  Mentioning standards and security audits makes me cringe in their current state. Certainly agree with you that they'll help, but many are draconian. Things like physical access lists when you use cloud services... or policies on tape backups. :)
  - dredmorbius 15y ago
    There's a lot of dumbth in them, to be sure. I'm hoping that they'll evolve toward slightly more sanity than insanity. Some institutional laws suggest that this is wildly optimistic on my part. Security theater exists because bureaucrats and legislators want to appear to be doing something. Vendor-based solutions are mandated because vendors have political clout. Effective tools are difficult to deploy in real-world scenarios -- filled with failing devices, intermittent communications, poor training, and worse end-user understanding. But give me my dream. Just for this one night.
- nabilt 15y ago
  This sounds promising. I've seen the answers on stackexchange and quora about web security, but until my site is tested by a hacker it is difficult to know if I've done everything properly. So I like the idea of some kind of audit to help in this process. Maybe hiring some white hats to pound on my site would be a good idea.

dredmorbius 15y ago

One practice that's starting to help, a bit, and it pains me to say it, is security audits. There are a few standards emerging for SAAS services, especially at the B2B level. And as startups (or non-startups) start intersecting with large, regulated, publicly-held businesses, these requirements propagate, and with audits, receive multiple reviews. The process is far from perfect, and many of the standards are laughably lax (and yet ... they still aren't met). Because they're standards, the requests are fairly uniform. A number of issues regarding Dreamhost have been on my own back burner for months, and I'm finally getting that Round Tuit this afternoon. Pushing for good, solid standards would be a net benefit. That's the silver lining here.

krobertson 15y ago
Mentioning standards and security audits makes me cringe in their current state. Certainly agree with you that they'll help, but many are draconian. Things like physical access lists when you use cloud services... or policies on tape backups. :)
- dredmorbius 15y ago
  There's a lot of dumbth in them, to be sure. I'm hoping that they'll evolve toward slightly more sanity than insanity. Some institutional laws suggest that this is wildly optimistic on my part. Security theater exists because bureaucrats and legislators want to appear to be doing something. Vendor-based solutions are mandated because vendors have political clout. Effective tools are difficult to deploy in real-world scenarios -- filled with failing devices, intermittent communications, poor training, and worse end-user understanding. But give me my dream. Just for this one night.
nabilt 15y ago
This sounds promising. I've seen the answers on stackexchange and quora about web security, but until my site is tested by a hacker it is difficult to know if I've done everything properly. So I like the idea of some kind of audit to help in this process. Maybe hiring some white hats to pound on my site would be a good idea.