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What do you think a lot of inner city shootings are? Two people beef, guns get drawn, and shots fired. Sometimes your second gets involved, and if he thinks you

by ch4s3 4y ago

What do you think a lot of inner city shootings are? Two people beef, guns get drawn, and shots fired. Sometimes your second gets involved, and if he thinks you were treated dishonorably he might hunt down you shooter and that man’s second. It’s even the same kind of honor culture, and was brought from the rural south which was the last bastion of high class American dueling.

somenameforme 4y ago
Dueling has always been an upper class/urban affair, generally between men of wealth and substantial education. Traditionally only the nobility dueled but this was gradually liberalized into all upper class individuals. Even in the article for this thread (which is relatively late in the dueling game), it requires that you view the person you are dueling as a "Gentleman" alongside the all the connotations of such. You can see a list of some US duels (and the participants involved) here [1]. The article also has some interesting backstory. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_duels#United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_duels#United_States
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  > Traditionally only the nobility dueled but this was gradually liberalized into all upper class individuals. Looked at another way, traditionally only the upper class dueled, and that didn’t change when the capitalist class displaced the feudal aristocracy as the upper class.
- ch4s3 4y ago
  This is in my opinion far too narrow a view of aristocratic honor culture in the US and how that influenced Southern culture even among lower socioeconomic strata. By the civil war, dueling was pervasive throughout the south[1][2]. Over time this filtered down to "redneck" culture for lack of a better name for lower class southern whites. This in turn had effects on southern black culture and was carried north during the Great Migration[3] to some extent. So what you see in inner city shootings is the direct lineage of early American dueling imported to the south from French aristocrats who fought in the American Revolution. History is truly strange. [1] https://historyengine.richmond.edu/episodes/view/3655 https://historyengine.richmond.edu/episodes/view/3655 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dueling_in_the_Southern_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dueling_in_the_Southern_United... [3] https://www.nas.org/academic-questions/31/4/race_crime_and_culture https://www.nas.org/academic-questions/31/4/race_crime_and_c...

by ch4s3 4y ago

somenameforme 4y ago

Dueling has always been an upper class/urban affair, generally between men of wealth and substantial education. Traditionally only the nobility dueled but this was gradually liberalized into all upper class individuals. Even in the article for this thread (which is relatively late in the dueling game), it requires that you view the person you are dueling as a "Gentleman" alongside the all the connotations of such. You can see a list of some US duels (and the participants involved) here [1]. The article also has some interesting backstory. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_duels#United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_duels#United_States

dragonwriter 4y ago
> Traditionally only the nobility dueled but this was gradually liberalized into all upper class individuals. Looked at another way, traditionally only the upper class dueled, and that didn’t change when the capitalist class displaced the feudal aristocracy as the upper class.
ch4s3 4y ago
This is in my opinion far too narrow a view of aristocratic honor culture in the US and how that influenced Southern culture even among lower socioeconomic strata. By the civil war, dueling was pervasive throughout the south[1][2]. Over time this filtered down to "redneck" culture for lack of a better name for lower class southern whites. This in turn had effects on southern black culture and was carried north during the Great Migration[3] to some extent. So what you see in inner city shootings is the direct lineage of early American dueling imported to the south from French aristocrats who fought in the American Revolution. History is truly strange. [1] https://historyengine.richmond.edu/episodes/view/3655 https://historyengine.richmond.edu/episodes/view/3655 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dueling_in_the_Southern_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dueling_in_the_Southern_United... [3] https://www.nas.org/academic-questions/31/4/race_crime_and_culture https://www.nas.org/academic-questions/31/4/race_crime_and_c...