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This is just factually incorrect - I can't even think of anything I can really cite to highlight that we're able to derive all the nutrients we need from plants

by munk-a 4y ago

This is just factually incorrect - I can't even think of anything I can really cite to highlight that we're able to derive all the nutrients we need from plants and that it gets even easier if nutritional supplements are brought into the picture. I certainly enjoy meat and cook with it frequently - but it's a luxury and one that is hardly mechanically necessary to my survival (and, tbh, is generally a larger source of health issues than veganism).

armatav 4y ago
Wrong - a plant diet without supplementation is effectively a health crisis. It’s no luxury. We did not evolve our brains based on a “luxury”. Cooked meat is a necessity. You are worse for not having it in every and any case, and a plant based diet without supplementation is equivalent to running at a lower efficiency.
- myshpa 4y ago
  Please don't spread FUD and lies, please. > Wrong - a plant diet without supplementation is effectively a health crisis Supplementation is not a problem - we're supplementing the animals with B12 etc. anyway, so why not skip the middleman. > Cooked meat is a necessity It was, but it isn't anymore. Not in most of the world. > You are worse for not having it Not true - plant based diets are healthier. It's a fact. > plant based diet without supplementation is equivalent to running at a lower efficiency Nobody forces you to skip supplementation ... everywhere you look it's mentioned as a necessity. And many vegan products are fortified already. Everything you get from animal products you can get from plants. Those animals did.
  - armatav 4y ago
    Plant based diets are purely worse for you - you can tell because you need to slam 11 different nutrient pills to keep going without your body failing. You terminate earlier on these fad-diets than on your natural omnivorous diet - and what's more, if you did pure meat and no vegetables, you're actually 2x better off than on a purely plant diet.
    - myshpa 4y ago
      I know you're here to troll, so I won't spend a lot of time on the reply. > 11 different nutrient pills to keep going without your body failing The only pill you should take (if there is no fortified food in your pantry) is B12. You don't need anything else. And B12 is from bacteria/algae, not from animals. > terminate earlier on these fad-diets https://www.livestrong.com/article/13730585-plant-based-diet-benefits/ https://www.livestrong.com/article/13730585-plant-based-diet... https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35719615/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35719615/ and thousands others > than on your natural omnivorous diet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNIoKmMq6cs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNIoKmMq6cs - Anthropologist Debunks the Paleo Diet
      - armatav 4y ago
        No one’s trolling buddy - “if there’s no fortified food in your pantry”. You literally have to supplement on the fad plant diets. Insanity that you’d recommend this to people.
        myshpa 4y ago
        The animals get a lot of supplements. And not only the B12, but a lot of other stuff too ... like tons of antibiotics (approximately 80% of all the antibiotics sold in the U.S. are for use in animal agriculture.). That's not insanity? To see what minerals & vitamins we supplement, see https://www.hobbyfarms.com/livestock-nutrition-basics-vitamins-minerals/ https://www.hobbyfarms.com/livestock-nutrition-basics-vitami... (I'm no expert at this, this was the first page I've found). Veganism is not a fad diet. It's an upgrade.
        armatav 4y ago
        I'm not against taking supplements. But when you say it's an upgrade, how is it an upgrade if you need to take 50 supplements just to get relatively near meats baseline. It's not an upgrade at all, it's an inferior diet to our naturally occuring omnivore diet, not just that, but eating these soft plants (of which 50%+ of the diet is composed) will royally fuck up children's development (jaw/stature/cognition etc.). Do what nature commands of you, don't override it with shit the magic screen tells you to do. It's in your nature to be an omnivore, "upgrading" to cheap plants only is literally against the nature of man. Lab meat or animal meat is the only choice people should need to worry about, if they so choose - and of those, animal meat is the superior choice.

by munk-a 4y ago

armatav 4y ago

Wrong - a plant diet without supplementation is effectively a health crisis. It’s no luxury. We did not evolve our brains based on a “luxury”. Cooked meat is a necessity. You are worse for not having it in every and any case, and a plant based diet without supplementation is equivalent to running at a lower efficiency.

myshpa 4y ago
Please don't spread FUD and lies, please. > Wrong - a plant diet without supplementation is effectively a health crisis Supplementation is not a problem - we're supplementing the animals with B12 etc. anyway, so why not skip the middleman. > Cooked meat is a necessity It was, but it isn't anymore. Not in most of the world. > You are worse for not having it Not true - plant based diets are healthier. It's a fact. > plant based diet without supplementation is equivalent to running at a lower efficiency Nobody forces you to skip supplementation ... everywhere you look it's mentioned as a necessity. And many vegan products are fortified already. Everything you get from animal products you can get from plants. Those animals did.
- armatav 4y ago
  Plant based diets are purely worse for you - you can tell because you need to slam 11 different nutrient pills to keep going without your body failing. You terminate earlier on these fad-diets than on your natural omnivorous diet - and what's more, if you did pure meat and no vegetables, you're actually 2x better off than on a purely plant diet.
  - myshpa 4y ago
    I know you're here to troll, so I won't spend a lot of time on the reply. > 11 different nutrient pills to keep going without your body failing The only pill you should take (if there is no fortified food in your pantry) is B12. You don't need anything else. And B12 is from bacteria/algae, not from animals. > terminate earlier on these fad-diets https://www.livestrong.com/article/13730585-plant-based-diet-benefits/ https://www.livestrong.com/article/13730585-plant-based-diet... https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35719615/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35719615/ and thousands others > than on your natural omnivorous diet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNIoKmMq6cs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNIoKmMq6cs - Anthropologist Debunks the Paleo Diet
    - armatav 4y ago
      No one’s trolling buddy - “if there’s no fortified food in your pantry”. You literally have to supplement on the fad plant diets. Insanity that you’d recommend this to people.
      - myshpa 4y ago
        The animals get a lot of supplements. And not only the B12, but a lot of other stuff too ... like tons of antibiotics (approximately 80% of all the antibiotics sold in the U.S. are for use in animal agriculture.). That's not insanity? To see what minerals & vitamins we supplement, see https://www.hobbyfarms.com/livestock-nutrition-basics-vitamins-minerals/ https://www.hobbyfarms.com/livestock-nutrition-basics-vitami... (I'm no expert at this, this was the first page I've found). Veganism is not a fad diet. It's an upgrade.
        armatav 4y ago
        I'm not against taking supplements. But when you say it's an upgrade, how is it an upgrade if you need to take 50 supplements just to get relatively near meats baseline. It's not an upgrade at all, it's an inferior diet to our naturally occuring omnivore diet, not just that, but eating these soft plants (of which 50%+ of the diet is composed) will royally fuck up children's development (jaw/stature/cognition etc.). Do what nature commands of you, don't override it with shit the magic screen tells you to do. It's in your nature to be an omnivore, "upgrading" to cheap plants only is literally against the nature of man. Lab meat or animal meat is the only choice people should need to worry about, if they so choose - and of those, animal meat is the superior choice.