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Heh, if you thought this post had very strong comments about LispWorks and Franz, wait till you read my rant from last year: https://www.thejach.com/view/2022/1
by Jach 4y ago
Heh, if you thought this post had very strong comments about LispWorks and Franz, wait till you read my rant from last year: https://www.thejach.com/view/2022/1/thoughts_on_writings_on_lisp#3 https://www.thejach.com/view/2022/1/thoughts_on_writings_on_...
It doesn't bother me as much as maybe it seems from the rant, I don't think about them hardly at all. But when I do, it's frustrating, because just about every other ecosystem out there is better. The rant highlights IntelliJ from the Java world as an alternative. Somehow, JetBrains is able to cater to individual developers and incredibly giant enterprises just fine. They care about their IDE and associated software. LispWorks and Franz do not, to the same degree. That's fine, it's their businesses, but it's disappointing when you want to see Lisp succeed and you have two great proprietary IDEs and implementations that are effectively untouchable for a huge portion of Lispers and would-be-Lispers.
- lispm 4y agoKeep in mind that IntelliJ was developed for a market which is three or four orders of magnitude larger: devs, investments, etc. That is an entirely different business model then. Compare for example commercial Smalltalk (VisualWorks, ObjectStudio Enterprise, Gemstone, VA Smalltalk ...): https://gemtalksystems.com/licensing/ https://gemtalksystems.com/licensing/ https://www.instantiations.com/vast-platform/pricing/ https://www.instantiations.com/vast-platform/pricing/