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The U.S. federal government gives the States' child protection service agencies money grants that are conditional on those agencies actually taking children fro

The U.S. federal government gives the States' child protection service agencies money grants that are conditional on those agencies actually taking children from their homes. You get what you subsidize, and if you subsidize petty tyranny, you'll get petty tyranny.

genghisjahn 4y ago
Link?
notch898a 4y ago
Works that way with lots of things. My kid gets a pretty generous existence off ~10% of our post-tax salaries. Not because we are rich, we just don't waste money. In a divorce, the state says I would need to pay 20% pre-tax (like 30% post-tax) or go to fucking jail. There's no rational reason why the kid is always going to need 3x the money in a divorce, and that reason be so dire it's worth throwing someone in jail for not paying it. The reason turns out the state gets benefits based on both the small administrative cut and based on the amount of child support outlays.
- gowld 4y ago
  Benefits how? If your kid doesn't waste money, why does it matter whether the money is your account or theirs?
  - alwayslikethis 4y ago
    You are forced to give it. If you lose your job or somehow cannot manage your cashflow for a moment, you go to jail.
    - notch898a 4y ago
      Or if you just get hijacked by terrorists while ironically working the job to come up with money for the child support [0]. [0] https://greensboro.com/ex-hostage-jailed-in-child-support-case/article_1fed687a-38e8-55c9-ab2f-411f82a525fa.html https://greensboro.com/ex-hostage-jailed-in-child-support-ca...
teawrecks 4y ago
I had friends who should have been taken away from their neglecting parents, but never were. Turns out, if the child is not being literally beaten, all the parent has to do is not open the door when child services comes by. So if the child's teeth literally rot out of their mouth, they wear filthy clothes to school, they live in a house full of cat shit everywhere, and a rotted away caved in roof, all the parent has to do is continue smoking, drinking and browsing the internet. No one could do anything about it. Those kids' lives were ruined.
- notch898a 4y ago
  There are sadly some places where the courts/CPS will avoid removing them even in such a situation because their temporary care situation available from the state is so fucked that they're better off in literally any situation where they aren't beat/molested. Some parts of the US have truly dire situation with not enough quality foster car parents and basically a lord-of-the-flies temporary home available chock-full of kids with various unique and difficult to live with issues. You wouldn't remove a kid from a cat shit/dirty clothes/rotten teeth situation to toss them into lord of the flies with 9 kids who have violent tendencies as a result of being treated even worse.
  - teawrecks 4y ago
    That makes sense. But what's bad is they had extended family who would have taken them in, there was just nothing the state could do. The mother brainwashed the younger kids to think their grandmother and aunt were terrible people, so they couldn't even lobby for themselves. My friend was the oldest of 3 sisters and she didn't even realize how bad her home life was until middle school. Eventually she started dating another of my friends and ended up just living with his family for years to avoid going home. After she turned 18 and was independent, she tried to get her siblings out, but the state said their hands were tied.
- msla 4y ago
  Yeah, the subculture of people who get incandescently angry about CPS aren't the kinds of people I'd want anywhere near children.
msla 4y ago
Anyone who wants to spank their children is rather perverted, of course: We all know what it means when an adult spanks an adult.

genghisjahn 4y ago

Link?

notch898a 4y ago

Works that way with lots of things. My kid gets a pretty generous existence off ~10% of our post-tax salaries. Not because we are rich, we just don't waste money. In a divorce, the state says I would need to pay 20% pre-tax (like 30% post-tax) or go to fucking jail. There's no rational reason why the kid is always going to need 3x the money in a divorce, and that reason be so dire it's worth throwing someone in jail for not paying it. The reason turns out the state gets benefits based on both the small administrative cut and based on the amount of child support outlays.

gowld 4y ago
Benefits how? If your kid doesn't waste money, why does it matter whether the money is your account or theirs?
- alwayslikethis 4y ago
  You are forced to give it. If you lose your job or somehow cannot manage your cashflow for a moment, you go to jail.
  - notch898a 4y ago
    Or if you just get hijacked by terrorists while ironically working the job to come up with money for the child support [0]. [0] https://greensboro.com/ex-hostage-jailed-in-child-support-case/article_1fed687a-38e8-55c9-ab2f-411f82a525fa.html https://greensboro.com/ex-hostage-jailed-in-child-support-ca...

teawrecks 4y ago

I had friends who should have been taken away from their neglecting parents, but never were. Turns out, if the child is not being literally beaten, all the parent has to do is not open the door when child services comes by. So if the child's teeth literally rot out of their mouth, they wear filthy clothes to school, they live in a house full of cat shit everywhere, and a rotted away caved in roof, all the parent has to do is continue smoking, drinking and browsing the internet. No one could do anything about it. Those kids' lives were ruined.

notch898a 4y ago
There are sadly some places where the courts/CPS will avoid removing them even in such a situation because their temporary care situation available from the state is so fucked that they're better off in literally any situation where they aren't beat/molested. Some parts of the US have truly dire situation with not enough quality foster car parents and basically a lord-of-the-flies temporary home available chock-full of kids with various unique and difficult to live with issues. You wouldn't remove a kid from a cat shit/dirty clothes/rotten teeth situation to toss them into lord of the flies with 9 kids who have violent tendencies as a result of being treated even worse.
- teawrecks 4y ago
  That makes sense. But what's bad is they had extended family who would have taken them in, there was just nothing the state could do. The mother brainwashed the younger kids to think their grandmother and aunt were terrible people, so they couldn't even lobby for themselves. My friend was the oldest of 3 sisters and she didn't even realize how bad her home life was until middle school. Eventually she started dating another of my friends and ended up just living with his family for years to avoid going home. After she turned 18 and was independent, she tried to get her siblings out, but the state said their hands were tied.
msla 4y ago
Yeah, the subculture of people who get incandescently angry about CPS aren't the kinds of people I'd want anywhere near children.

msla 4y ago

Anyone who wants to spank their children is rather perverted, of course: We all know what it means when an adult spanks an adult.