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Even better, install Devuan, which is Debian without systemd (the attempt to turn Linux into Windows). Many former Debian developers are now working on Devuan.

tmtvl 4y ago
How exactly does systemd turn Linux into Windows? Does it... Prevent dynamic linking? Offer strong backwards compatibility? Add support for a very wide range of hardware? Put advertisements in the start menu? Cause unexpected reboots for updates? Send telemetry to the OS manufacturer? Force users to get an online account unless they know the secret way to bypass the prompt? Or is there a differentiator between Windows and Linux I am overlooking?
- wrycoder 4y ago
  This has been re-hashed many times. What you should look at is the difference between Debian and Devuan. Or between Debian and OpenBSD, to understand what the systemd project is doing, and how it’s doing it. There are many of us that prefer Linux as it was before systemd.
  - wrycoder 4y ago
    Edit: I said “attempt”. Linux doesn’t have those extreme stupidities you mentioned, and probably never will.
linuxandrew 4y ago
> systemd (the attempt to turn Linux into Windows) systemd was actually inspired by launchd, not Windows. But I guess systemd, Windows and launchd do share one thing in common which is not having a bunch of bandaid shell scripts hanging the system together.
- quectophoton 4y ago
  Presumably they're talking about systemd as a whole, not just the tiny subset of systemd that is used as init system or service manager. I don't think I've seen anyone complain about systemd's init system or service manager; it's always about the remaining 90% of systemd's scope and its tight coupling between all its parts (the tight coupling being the main problem).
- alexklarjr 4y ago
  well, systemd “services” are just bunch of scripts and init files.
andrewshadura 4y ago
How exactly many? Can you name them?

tmtvl 4y ago

How exactly does systemd turn Linux into Windows? Does it... Prevent dynamic linking? Offer strong backwards compatibility? Add support for a very wide range of hardware? Put advertisements in the start menu? Cause unexpected reboots for updates? Send telemetry to the OS manufacturer? Force users to get an online account unless they know the secret way to bypass the prompt? Or is there a differentiator between Windows and Linux I am overlooking?

wrycoder 4y ago
This has been re-hashed many times. What you should look at is the difference between Debian and Devuan. Or between Debian and OpenBSD, to understand what the systemd project is doing, and how it’s doing it. There are many of us that prefer Linux as it was before systemd.
- wrycoder 4y ago
  Edit: I said “attempt”. Linux doesn’t have those extreme stupidities you mentioned, and probably never will.

linuxandrew 4y ago

> systemd (the attempt to turn Linux into Windows) systemd was actually inspired by launchd, not Windows. But I guess systemd, Windows and launchd do share one thing in common which is not having a bunch of bandaid shell scripts hanging the system together.

quectophoton 4y ago
Presumably they're talking about systemd as a whole, not just the tiny subset of systemd that is used as init system or service manager. I don't think I've seen anyone complain about systemd's init system or service manager; it's always about the remaining 90% of systemd's scope and its tight coupling between all its parts (the tight coupling being the main problem).
alexklarjr 4y ago
well, systemd “services” are just bunch of scripts and init files.

andrewshadura 4y ago

How exactly many? Can you name them?