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This is a joint decision from all Ubuntu flavors. It frustrates me so much that every Ubuntu-wide decision gets framed as "Canonical does x". It ignores the tho
by mesebrec 4y ago
This is a joint decision from all Ubuntu flavors. It frustrates me so much that every Ubuntu-wide decision gets framed as "Canonical does x". It ignores the thousands of volunteers who pour their heart and soul into this project. The fact is that we, as a project full of volunteers, have decided that Ubuntu is built on debs and snaps.
One of the core features of Ubuntu is that you get 5 years of support for your software after release. We go through great lengths to ensure that whatever you install the first day after release will continue working for 5 years. We simply can't ensure that with a third-party repositories like FlatHub. This is why the Ubuntu Technical Board decided a long time ago to not ship third party repositories by default. It doesn't matter if these are ppa's or Flatpak remotes. Any flavor that was previously shipping Flatpak, shipped it without any remote, even before the decision just posted.
As Aaron said it so well on the discourse: "Most of the Ubuntu flavors provide free technical support via forums and IRC channels. Most of our users are using software from the Ubuntu repos or Snap Store and we are equipped to help them. We know what to expect from the software our users run and can give targeted and efficient advice on how to resolve issues. Some of us can even kick things into shape in the archives if there’s a legitimate problem with our packages, or we know who to talk to.
With Flatpaks, the situation is much more dismal from a technical support perspective. We have little-to-no clue what quirks the software vendor(s) will have introduced since we don’t work closely with them. We have no way to reach in and fix legitimate bugs aside from filing bug reports and hoping that they will be answered. We’re going to end up with frustrated support staff and even more frustrated users. And all because they didn’t know that if they clicked a particular button in their flavor’s app store, they would be downloading unsupported software."
- its-summertime 4y ago> This is a joint decision from all Ubuntu flavors. https://fosstodon.org/@wimpy/109908489437633387 https://fosstodon.org/@wimpy/109908489437633387 ? > [...] and even more frustrated users. Speaking of being a frustrated user, can we use snap yet without the weird hardcoded $HOME stuff? la https://nelsonaloysio.medium.com/installing-ubuntus-snap-on-fedora-silverblue-e82ca6fd6108 https://nelsonaloysio.medium.com/installing-ubuntus-snap-on-... > unsupported software Gnome Software already labels this fine, same for Apple's App Store, Google Play, Microsoft's Store, etc.
- LorenDB 4y ago> Speaking of being a frustrated user Also speaking of being a frustrated user, can we talk about the system resource usage? snapd ruined my Ubuntu experience for a while. I finally disabled it before ultimately leaving Ubuntu altogether.
- kramerger 4y agoOff topic: how can I open these Mastodon links in the app? Since there are multiple hosts, one can not forward to the app based on URL. On topic: Ubuntu and flavours are free to remove flatpak from the default install but removing the existing gnome support seems childish and also requires a lot of work.
- rhaway84773 4y agoI’m not sure I understand how snap makes this any easier. The only difference appears to be that since you only officially support snap you work closely with the vendors on their snap packages. If you only officially supported flatpak, you would work closely with vendors on their flatpak packages.