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A new market opportunity for your company?

input_sh 4y ago
> This is not a service we provide. It is not a service we have ever provided, nor a service we have any plans to provide. Indeed, it is a not a service we are technically capable of providing.
theWreckluse 4y ago
> It is not a service we have ever provided, nor a service we have any plans to provide. Indeed, it is a not a service we are technically capable of providing.
hackernewds 4y ago
this seems like a game-changing opportunity actually. I'd be down to buy the domain
anaganisk 4y ago
So, based on the BS these LLMs spout and companies start pivoting. The govts should start writing laws?
- shagie 4y ago
  On what basis? How would you write it? Why don't existing laws cover this? Is there a law that covers incorrect information in Wikipedia? or a search result?
  - smt88 4y ago
    > Why don't existing laws cover this? Machine-generated lies have only recently become consistently convincing enough that they create these types of problems. In fact, that's the major innovation of ChatGPT: it's not that it creates "good" text, it's that it creates incredibly convincing lies. It's a scalable version of a Wikipedia vandal.
    - shagie 4y ago
      The blog post claims that a human generated video with incorrect information was the source of this. So, why are we blaming GPT for this incorrect information? What's more, the blog post is claiming that GPT was trained on video material (which it wasn't) which is also incorrect information and is apparently convincing enough to cause people to get up in arms about the product of yet another company. The combination of issues of (a) people are using a language model as a knowledge base, (b) incorrect information exists out there on the net, and (c) people are assuming that the knowledge base is correct and not reading the documentation before singing up. Alternatively, would you say that humans posting information that is incorrect and falsely represents the capabilities of another company's product should be similarly covered in laws?
      - smt88 4y ago
        > So, why are we blaming GPT for this incorrect information? I didn't blame ChatGPT for anything. I just said that it's only function is to generate lies. > Alternatively, would you say that humans posting information that is incorrect and falsely represents the capabilities of another company's product should be similarly covered in laws? Machines shouldn't have the same rights to speech as humans. A single company controlling ChatGPT can flood society with billions of convincing lies per hour. There's no point in any automation if it's not more efficient than a human is, and ChatGPT is far more efficient than humans at putting this stuff out. The same straw man is always used with ChatGPT: a human can lie, so why not let this machine lie? You might as well say that a human can punch someone to death, so why should we outlaw people owning rocket launchers? The scale and purpose matters.
        shagie 4y ago
        Its function is to transform and classify language. To do this, there is an emergent theory of the world that is contained within the model. People are interpreting the information that can be extracted from it as truth - which isn't its function and it hasn't ever been claimed to be. I would urge you to look at https://platform.openai.com/examples https://platform.openai.com/examples and identify which of those are "generating lies". My question is "why is a program that is being misused by people held to a higher standard than people posting information on blogs?" Can I hold a person who has a YouTube channel with a video with millions of views to the same standard? Does a presenter on an entertainment media channel with the reach of millions of people get to say untruthful things that are opinion with a free pass? Scale and purpose matters - yes, indeed it does. We need to make sure that we say what the purpose of GPT is (and it is not to generate lies) and its scale and compare it to other human run endeavors that have similar scale and purpose. If we say "presenting verifiably incorrect information as true and accessible to more than 10,000 people is against the law" then let's say that. The source of the material isn't at issue - it doesn't matter if that is created by a program or a human, the damage is to the person reading it and there the source doesn't matter what did it.
- inportb 4y ago
  Great idea! Governments should start writing laws using LLMs.
  - fijiaarone 4y ago
    If an AI is just a large language model without any ethical reasoning, what is a lawyer but the same thing with a smaller language model?
    - flangola7 4y ago
      What do you mean? Lawyers have extensive ethical obligations.
tnzk 4y ago
No, as the article mentions, there already seem to be bunch of posts and videos that claim one can use this feature. GPT just has been trained with them, not invented anything themselves. If this was new market opportunity, just publishing a falsehood would do the same job.
archagon 4y ago
Heh: an unforeseen future where instead of making the AI more reliable, we instead change reality to accommodate its mistakes.

> This is not a service we provide. It is not a service we have ever provided, nor a service we have any plans to provide. Indeed, it is a not a service we are technically capable of providing.

theWreckluse 4y ago

> It is not a service we have ever provided, nor a service we have any plans to provide. Indeed, it is a not a service we are technically capable of providing.

hackernewds 4y ago

this seems like a game-changing opportunity actually. I'd be down to buy the domain

anaganisk 4y ago

So, based on the BS these LLMs spout and companies start pivoting. The govts should start writing laws?

shagie 4y ago
On what basis? How would you write it? Why don't existing laws cover this? Is there a law that covers incorrect information in Wikipedia? or a search result?
- smt88 4y ago
  > Why don't existing laws cover this? Machine-generated lies have only recently become consistently convincing enough that they create these types of problems. In fact, that's the major innovation of ChatGPT: it's not that it creates "good" text, it's that it creates incredibly convincing lies. It's a scalable version of a Wikipedia vandal.
  - shagie 4y ago
    The blog post claims that a human generated video with incorrect information was the source of this. So, why are we blaming GPT for this incorrect information? What's more, the blog post is claiming that GPT was trained on video material (which it wasn't) which is also incorrect information and is apparently convincing enough to cause people to get up in arms about the product of yet another company. The combination of issues of (a) people are using a language model as a knowledge base, (b) incorrect information exists out there on the net, and (c) people are assuming that the knowledge base is correct and not reading the documentation before singing up. Alternatively, would you say that humans posting information that is incorrect and falsely represents the capabilities of another company's product should be similarly covered in laws?
    - smt88 4y ago
      > So, why are we blaming GPT for this incorrect information? I didn't blame ChatGPT for anything. I just said that it's only function is to generate lies. > Alternatively, would you say that humans posting information that is incorrect and falsely represents the capabilities of another company's product should be similarly covered in laws? Machines shouldn't have the same rights to speech as humans. A single company controlling ChatGPT can flood society with billions of convincing lies per hour. There's no point in any automation if it's not more efficient than a human is, and ChatGPT is far more efficient than humans at putting this stuff out. The same straw man is always used with ChatGPT: a human can lie, so why not let this machine lie? You might as well say that a human can punch someone to death, so why should we outlaw people owning rocket launchers? The scale and purpose matters.
      - shagie 4y ago
        Its function is to transform and classify language. To do this, there is an emergent theory of the world that is contained within the model. People are interpreting the information that can be extracted from it as truth - which isn't its function and it hasn't ever been claimed to be. I would urge you to look at https://platform.openai.com/examples https://platform.openai.com/examples and identify which of those are "generating lies". My question is "why is a program that is being misused by people held to a higher standard than people posting information on blogs?" Can I hold a person who has a YouTube channel with a video with millions of views to the same standard? Does a presenter on an entertainment media channel with the reach of millions of people get to say untruthful things that are opinion with a free pass? Scale and purpose matters - yes, indeed it does. We need to make sure that we say what the purpose of GPT is (and it is not to generate lies) and its scale and compare it to other human run endeavors that have similar scale and purpose. If we say "presenting verifiably incorrect information as true and accessible to more than 10,000 people is against the law" then let's say that. The source of the material isn't at issue - it doesn't matter if that is created by a program or a human, the damage is to the person reading it and there the source doesn't matter what did it.
inportb 4y ago
Great idea! Governments should start writing laws using LLMs.
- fijiaarone 4y ago
  If an AI is just a large language model without any ethical reasoning, what is a lawyer but the same thing with a smaller language model?
  - flangola7 4y ago
    What do you mean? Lawyers have extensive ethical obligations.

tnzk 4y ago

No, as the article mentions, there already seem to be bunch of posts and videos that claim one can use this feature. GPT just has been trained with them, not invented anything themselves. If this was new market opportunity, just publishing a falsehood would do the same job.

archagon 4y ago

Heh: an unforeseen future where instead of making the AI more reliable, we instead change reality to accommodate its mistakes.