> Also, while identity theft sucks, getting your password stolen is painless, whereas someone chopping off your thumbs to squish them up to an ATM machine is a

> Also, while identity theft sucks, getting your password stolen is painless, whereas someone chopping off your thumbs to squish them up to an ATM machine is a less pleasant experience. This is not a real distinction if they are physically present and willing to use that level of violence. It reminds me of the password XKCD -- doesn't matter what your password is or how recently it's been changed if they're willing to beat it out of you with a wrench.