> It seems to be just Batman and the Joker who feel society owes them a blood debt for the pain it caused them. This seems to be going a bit off the rails, I g

> It seems to be just Batman and the Joker who feel society owes them a blood debt for the pain it caused them. This seems to be going a bit off the rails, I guess I'll just say the Batman I'm familiar with seems to be different from yours, and leave it at that. > If mandatory strict adherence to every possible law at all times makes it impossible for the police to fight crime, then maybe the problem is there are too many laws, and they're too strict. Because remember, the police don't chase criminals, they chase suspects assumed innocent until proven guilty by a court. Possibly. I definitely feel there are too many laws, and many seem arbitrary and/or too strict. > But they chose violence because the police always choose violence. I guess I missed the part where they beat him into submission. I had thought they just arrested him. And, maybe he didn't deserve to be arrested. I don't know. I do think what he did shouldn't really be morally defensible, but that's a different argument that's been debated into the ground elsewhere in this thread. > for the most part, police do do whatever they want, whenever they want, just because, hell, they feel like it. > police always choose violence. I'm afraid this is where any meaningful discourse probably ends. I can't say I really get along well with most officers, but this is also not what I've seen out of most officers. You get some definite assholes, and some bigots. But words like most and always seem pretty far out of line.