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Almost all inventions you hear about in the lab phase like this NEVER make it to production. But sometimes they do.

by jackmott42 4y ago

boringg 4y ago
Argonne got NMC to market. I wouldn't discount Argonne.
- moreati 4y ago
  For anyone else curious, NMC is probably https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_nickel_manganese_cobalt_oxides https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_nickel_manganese_cobal... > Lithium nickel manganese cobalt oxides (abbreviated Li-NMC, LNMC, or NMC) are mixed metal oxides of lithium, nickel, manganese and cobalt. They have the general formula LiNixMnyCozO2. ... NMCs are among the most important storage materials for lithium ions in lithium ion batteries. They are used on the positive side, which acts as the cathode during discharge.
- rhodin 4y ago
  If interested in battery technology and Argonne I'd recommend this book: "The Powerhouse: America, China, and the Great Battery War" [0] [0] https://www.amazon.com/Powerhouse-America-China-Great-Battery/dp/0143128329 https://www.amazon.com/Powerhouse-America-China-Great-Batter...
  - boringg 4y ago
    Concur interesting read!
isk517 4y ago
To quote Terry Pratchett: 99 out of every 100 ideas they come up with are complete rubbish, but the 100th tends to be an absolute humdinger.
- swayvil 4y ago
  Take a commonly held opinion. Something that all the smart people hold to be true. Frame it wisely and wittily enough for fast food. Feed it back to those smart people. That's Terry.
  - nindalf 4y ago
    Take someone who's achieved something. Someone widely admired. Shit on them. Imply there was nothing impressive about what they did and it wasn't worth doing. That's HN.
    - mdp2021 4y ago
      > That's HN As opposed to the miracle of selection elsewhere. /S
perlgeek 4y ago
Most of these inventions don't live up to their initial hype, but some do find a niche (for example cell chemistry optimized for large temperature ranges, optimized for certain safety features, longevity over charge density etc.), and ideas from some of them find their way into mainstream batteries after a decade or two. It basically never happens that a new cell chemistry becomes the market leader in all areas, but all in all, batteries to get better and cheaper at a remarkable rate.
bez_almighty 4y ago
"80% of the time, it fails, every time..."

Almost all inventions you hear about in the lab phase like this NEVER make it to production. But sometimes they do.

boringg 4y ago

Argonne got NMC to market. I wouldn't discount Argonne.

moreati 4y ago
For anyone else curious, NMC is probably https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_nickel_manganese_cobalt_oxides https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_nickel_manganese_cobal... > Lithium nickel manganese cobalt oxides (abbreviated Li-NMC, LNMC, or NMC) are mixed metal oxides of lithium, nickel, manganese and cobalt. They have the general formula LiNixMnyCozO2. ... NMCs are among the most important storage materials for lithium ions in lithium ion batteries. They are used on the positive side, which acts as the cathode during discharge.
rhodin 4y ago
If interested in battery technology and Argonne I'd recommend this book: "The Powerhouse: America, China, and the Great Battery War" [0] [0] https://www.amazon.com/Powerhouse-America-China-Great-Battery/dp/0143128329 https://www.amazon.com/Powerhouse-America-China-Great-Batter...
- boringg 4y ago
  Concur interesting read!

isk517 4y ago

To quote Terry Pratchett: 99 out of every 100 ideas they come up with are complete rubbish, but the 100th tends to be an absolute humdinger.

swayvil 4y ago
Take a commonly held opinion. Something that all the smart people hold to be true. Frame it wisely and wittily enough for fast food. Feed it back to those smart people. That's Terry.
- nindalf 4y ago
  Take someone who's achieved something. Someone widely admired. Shit on them. Imply there was nothing impressive about what they did and it wasn't worth doing. That's HN.
  - mdp2021 4y ago
    > That's HN As opposed to the miracle of selection elsewhere. /S

perlgeek 4y ago

Most of these inventions don't live up to their initial hype, but some do find a niche (for example cell chemistry optimized for large temperature ranges, optimized for certain safety features, longevity over charge density etc.), and ideas from some of them find their way into mainstream batteries after a decade or two. It basically never happens that a new cell chemistry becomes the market leader in all areas, but all in all, batteries to get better and cheaper at a remarkable rate.

bez_almighty 4y ago

"80% of the time, it fails, every time..."