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Looking at the price of the “Hobbyist DV” version, it is not out of line with what people often spend on hobbies like photography, music, and cycling. Or just

Looking at the price of the “Hobbyist DV” version, it is not out of line with what people often spend on hobbies like photography, music, and cycling. Or just on beer and/or wine. Or books. Not to say people don’t spend less on their hobbies, just that a license is a less than a Sony A7R3 or a used Les Paul.

_ph_ 4y ago
Yes, if a hobbyist absolutely wants to buy a Lispworks license, that should be possible for many people. But that isn't the only criterium. The question is: is anyone as happy to pay the price compared to spend the money on other things, like buying a camera or lens. There is some perception of value involved. For example I do spend a lot of money on my camera equipment and some people are suprised by it, though I spend way less on my car than they do. But on the other side, many people can't spend so much on any hobby or car. On the other side there is SBCL. This is really a great Lisp implementation, in some ways clearly superior even, this limits the amount what at least I am willing to pay for some fancyness of the commercial edition. As far as I can see, I struggle to preceive a critical advantage for Lispworks. And the price is way above the impulse by territory.
- TurboHaskal 4y ago
  > I struggle to preceive a critical advantage for Lispworks. CAPI is the reason. If you want to develop a professional GUI application and you want to use Common Lisp, LW is pretty much the only option.
  - _ph_ 4y ago
    Depends on what exactly you mean by professional. There are Gtk and Qt bindings for SBCL (haven't tried them), and I have deployed GUI applications in an professional environment based on LTk. Yes, CAPI is certainly a strong point of Lispworks and in a commercial environment, the costs are not necessarily a problem, but I was making the statement in the context of the Hobbyist versions.
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_ph_ 4y ago

Yes, if a hobbyist absolutely wants to buy a Lispworks license, that should be possible for many people. But that isn't the only criterium. The question is: is anyone as happy to pay the price compared to spend the money on other things, like buying a camera or lens. There is some perception of value involved. For example I do spend a lot of money on my camera equipment and some people are suprised by it, though I spend way less on my car than they do. But on the other side, many people can't spend so much on any hobby or car. On the other side there is SBCL. This is really a great Lisp implementation, in some ways clearly superior even, this limits the amount what at least I am willing to pay for some fancyness of the commercial edition. As far as I can see, I struggle to preceive a critical advantage for Lispworks. And the price is way above the impulse by territory.

TurboHaskal 4y ago
> I struggle to preceive a critical advantage for Lispworks. CAPI is the reason. If you want to develop a professional GUI application and you want to use Common Lisp, LW is pretty much the only option.
- _ph_ 4y ago
  Depends on what exactly you mean by professional. There are Gtk and Qt bindings for SBCL (haven't tried them), and I have deployed GUI applications in an professional environment based on LTk. Yes, CAPI is certainly a strong point of Lispworks and in a commercial environment, the costs are not necessarily a problem, but I was making the statement in the context of the Hobbyist versions.
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