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If we had honest labeling there would be a lot less milk and broth/stock on the grocery. I’m also suspicious that nearly all cereals aren’t cereals but some kin

If we had honest labeling there would be a lot less milk and broth/stock on the grocery. I’m also suspicious that nearly all cereals aren’t cereals but some kind of corn byproduct

mardifoufs 4y ago
What do you mean? Milk is so cheap (relatively speaking) that it makes little sense to me that it would be "substituted" with something else. But maybe I'm out of the loop here
- eachro 4y ago
  I'm curious what the true cost of dairy/soy/oat milk would be without gov subsidies.
  - toomuchtodo 4y ago
    > true cost of dairy milk $6/gal https://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-subsidies-lead-to-poverty-and-death-2010-04-09 https://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-subsidies-lead-to-pover... https://www.realagriculture.com/2018/02/u-s-dairy-subsidies-equal-73-percent-of-producer-returns-says-new-report/ https://www.realagriculture.com/2018/02/u-s-dairy-subsidies-... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17997055 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17997055 (The US spends about $22 billion on dairy subsidies each year) I imagine the true costs (and climate impact) of soy and oat milk are lesser than dairy because animal husbandry isn't involved. https://ourworldindata.org/environmental-impact-milks https://ourworldindata.org/environmental-impact-milks https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-46654042 https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-46654042
    - guestbest 4y ago
      There is no milk in soy or oats. It’s exhausting shopping for groceries with so much false advertising requiring having to read the fine print on every package for purchase.
      - toomuchtodo 4y ago
        At the rate dairies are going under, it won't be a problem forever (~5-10% shutter each year). Milk is just a word, the definition will likely shift over time as consumption continues to trend down. https://www.fb.org/market-intel/usda-report-u-s-dairy-farm-numbers-continue-to-decline https://www.fb.org/market-intel/usda-report-u-s-dairy-farm-n... https://www.lancasterfarming.com/farming-news/news/there-are-now-fewer-than-30-000-dairy-farms-in-the-us/article_35b07d5e-94e8-11ec-a23c-d7c3933c4c81.html https://www.lancasterfarming.com/farming-news/news/there-are... https://www.ers.usda.gov/amber-waves/2022/june/fluid-milk-consumption-continues-downward-trend-proving-difficult-to-reverse/ https://www.ers.usda.gov/amber-waves/2022/june/fluid-milk-co... https://sph.umich.edu/pursuit/2019posts/cows-milk-human-health.html https://sph.umich.edu/pursuit/2019posts/cows-milk-human-heal...
        guestbest 4y ago
        Food is just a word, also.
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      - rafram 4y ago
        “Is it oat milk or cow’s milk?” hardly requires reading the fine print. The oat milk says oat milk on it, usually prominently.
        guestbest 4y ago
        It’s false advertising pretending to be a trademark

If we had honest labeling there would be a lot less milk and broth/stock on the grocery. I’m also suspicious that nearly all cereals aren’t cereals but some kind of corn byproduct

mardifoufs 4y ago

What do you mean? Milk is so cheap (relatively speaking) that it makes little sense to me that it would be "substituted" with something else. But maybe I'm out of the loop here

eachro 4y ago
I'm curious what the true cost of dairy/soy/oat milk would be without gov subsidies.
- toomuchtodo 4y ago
  > true cost of dairy milk $6/gal https://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-subsidies-lead-to-poverty-and-death-2010-04-09 https://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-subsidies-lead-to-pover... https://www.realagriculture.com/2018/02/u-s-dairy-subsidies-equal-73-percent-of-producer-returns-says-new-report/ https://www.realagriculture.com/2018/02/u-s-dairy-subsidies-... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17997055 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17997055 (The US spends about $22 billion on dairy subsidies each year) I imagine the true costs (and climate impact) of soy and oat milk are lesser than dairy because animal husbandry isn't involved. https://ourworldindata.org/environmental-impact-milks https://ourworldindata.org/environmental-impact-milks https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-46654042 https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-46654042
  - guestbest 4y ago
    There is no milk in soy or oats. It’s exhausting shopping for groceries with so much false advertising requiring having to read the fine print on every package for purchase.
    - toomuchtodo 4y ago
      At the rate dairies are going under, it won't be a problem forever (~5-10% shutter each year). Milk is just a word, the definition will likely shift over time as consumption continues to trend down. https://www.fb.org/market-intel/usda-report-u-s-dairy-farm-numbers-continue-to-decline https://www.fb.org/market-intel/usda-report-u-s-dairy-farm-n... https://www.lancasterfarming.com/farming-news/news/there-are-now-fewer-than-30-000-dairy-farms-in-the-us/article_35b07d5e-94e8-11ec-a23c-d7c3933c4c81.html https://www.lancasterfarming.com/farming-news/news/there-are... https://www.ers.usda.gov/amber-waves/2022/june/fluid-milk-consumption-continues-downward-trend-proving-difficult-to-reverse/ https://www.ers.usda.gov/amber-waves/2022/june/fluid-milk-co... https://sph.umich.edu/pursuit/2019posts/cows-milk-human-health.html https://sph.umich.edu/pursuit/2019posts/cows-milk-human-heal...
      - guestbest 4y ago
        Food is just a word, also.
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    - rafram 4y ago
      “Is it oat milk or cow’s milk?” hardly requires reading the fine print. The oat milk says oat milk on it, usually prominently.
      - guestbest 4y ago
        It’s false advertising pretending to be a trademark