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Surely housing your kids elsewhere would be more expensive than keeping them under your roof? Early settler homes were typically a single room and not much big

Surely housing your kids elsewhere would be more expensive than keeping them under your roof? Early settler homes were typically a single room and not much bigger than a modern living room, and they had many kids living there. Space is a wonderful luxury, but hardly a necessity.

notch898a 4y ago
It is a 'necessity'. Building and/or zoning codes require often 1200 sq ft minimum and then it's illegal to rent out beyond a certain occupancy. You may be able to get away with it with just adults. Kids talk, sooner or later some 'well meaning' individual reports them to CPS for 'inadequate shelter' and the whole thing destruct.
- jxramos 4y ago
  I'd think they'd say that was a self imposed constraint not tied to any absolute survival needs of the human body.
jxramos 4y ago
it's always a good point to look to prior human challenges in history to tease out essentials from simple hardships as hard as they could be. People survived those ordeals in spite of the limitations.
myko 4y ago
We could also live in caves but folks wouldn't recommend that. A family living in a single room the size of a modern living room would soon get child protection agencies called on them–what was normal in pioneer days (pro-creating in the same room as your children, for example) would certainly be a serious issue today!
- randomdata 4y ago
  But pushing your kids far away to live without parents wouldn't be a serious issue?
  - myko 4y ago
    To be clear, I'm for higher density housing and new builds in the Bay and outlying areas, which would make it easier for families to stay closer together.
  - LeifCarrotson 4y ago
    GP was saying that 27-42yo millenials are not likely to be able to afford to live near their boomer/Gen X parents, so the grandparents of the millennials' 0-18yo children are not close to those grandkids. I feel very fortunate to live in a Midwestern small city, to have bought in 2014, and to have the skills and tools to fix up a foreclosure with lots of problems, so that I can live within 5 miles of my parents (so that my son can grow up within 5 miles of his grandparents). That 5 miles, though, is a car trip, because their house was $145k in 1995 and is now worth some $700k. There's no way as the sole breadwinner that I could buy a house within walking distance my 6-year-old's grandparents (my parents).
    - randomdata 4y ago
      > GP was saying that 27-42yo millenials are not likely to be able to afford to live near their boomer/Gen X parents While you are right that perspective was taken from that of a millennial, the parents you speak of were the grandparents in the discussion. The kids are the children of the millennials. While it is true that some millennials do have adult children now, it is not common. Most millennials with children have children who are not yet adults and there is a general expectation that said children will live under the same roof as their parents. And yes, that is most likely what the GP meant, despite the earlier discussion which already setup the context. Which is why we’re joking about it.
CalRobert 4y ago
Adult children. And as much as I love my folks I'd rather live in a separate building. So would they, since they're divorced.
mistrial9 4y ago
humans are primates and respond to what the other primates are doing, right now.. there is a reason that price extraction and gate-keeping were so massively inflated.. it worked. side-note: one of the convicted defendants in the USC pay-to-play scandal paid a couple of hundred thousand dollars for their two kids to get placement in a prestigious college. His job title? Director of a property title clearing house in San Diego county. hundreds of thousands of dollars in "envelope" money.. get the idea of how profitable it has been to do this real estate market stuff ?

notch898a 4y ago

It is a 'necessity'. Building and/or zoning codes require often 1200 sq ft minimum and then it's illegal to rent out beyond a certain occupancy. You may be able to get away with it with just adults. Kids talk, sooner or later some 'well meaning' individual reports them to CPS for 'inadequate shelter' and the whole thing destruct.

jxramos 4y ago
I'd think they'd say that was a self imposed constraint not tied to any absolute survival needs of the human body.

jxramos 4y ago

it's always a good point to look to prior human challenges in history to tease out essentials from simple hardships as hard as they could be. People survived those ordeals in spite of the limitations.

myko 4y ago

We could also live in caves but folks wouldn't recommend that. A family living in a single room the size of a modern living room would soon get child protection agencies called on them–what was normal in pioneer days (pro-creating in the same room as your children, for example) would certainly be a serious issue today!

randomdata 4y ago
But pushing your kids far away to live without parents wouldn't be a serious issue?
- myko 4y ago
  To be clear, I'm for higher density housing and new builds in the Bay and outlying areas, which would make it easier for families to stay closer together.
- LeifCarrotson 4y ago
  GP was saying that 27-42yo millenials are not likely to be able to afford to live near their boomer/Gen X parents, so the grandparents of the millennials' 0-18yo children are not close to those grandkids. I feel very fortunate to live in a Midwestern small city, to have bought in 2014, and to have the skills and tools to fix up a foreclosure with lots of problems, so that I can live within 5 miles of my parents (so that my son can grow up within 5 miles of his grandparents). That 5 miles, though, is a car trip, because their house was $145k in 1995 and is now worth some $700k. There's no way as the sole breadwinner that I could buy a house within walking distance my 6-year-old's grandparents (my parents).
  - randomdata 4y ago
    > GP was saying that 27-42yo millenials are not likely to be able to afford to live near their boomer/Gen X parents While you are right that perspective was taken from that of a millennial, the parents you speak of were the grandparents in the discussion. The kids are the children of the millennials. While it is true that some millennials do have adult children now, it is not common. Most millennials with children have children who are not yet adults and there is a general expectation that said children will live under the same roof as their parents. And yes, that is most likely what the GP meant, despite the earlier discussion which already setup the context. Which is why we’re joking about it.

CalRobert 4y ago

Adult children. And as much as I love my folks I'd rather live in a separate building. So would they, since they're divorced.

mistrial9 4y ago

humans are primates and respond to what the other primates are doing, right now.. there is a reason that price extraction and gate-keeping were so massively inflated.. it worked. side-note: one of the convicted defendants in the USC pay-to-play scandal paid a couple of hundred thousand dollars for their two kids to get placement in a prestigious college. His job title? Director of a property title clearing house in San Diego county. hundreds of thousands of dollars in "envelope" money.. get the idea of how profitable it has been to do this real estate market stuff ?