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The counter argument is: it wouldn't be where you grew up anymore. It seems like you're defining "where you grew up" with long/lag proximity, while attaching l

The counter argument is: it wouldn't be where you grew up anymore. It seems like you're defining "where you grew up" with long/lag proximity, while attaching lots of unrelated personal concepts to it. How much can an area change before you've, for all practical purposes, moved somewhere else. I'm fine with communities deciding for themselves how they grow and change. I really only take issue when they decide to grow office space and not housing, or when employers take office space meant for 100 workers and cram 300 into it.

sumtechguy 4y ago
Places change. Where I grew up there was a nice mall. It is still there. But 0 of the stores in that mall are the same. The map from the early 80s does not match with the current one in any way. It was a mall with at least 200 stores. The buildings that surrounded that mall are all different/gone/rebuilt. The parks in that city are dumpy junk now, weeds everywhere. The places I remember from a kid are gone. The buildings are there but what made it 'my city' is gone. Replaced ship theseus style with something else. Is it better? Some ways yes. Is it worse? Some ways yes.
ajmurmann 4y ago
Having the option for the people who want to stay there and retain more of your community is a huge value and maybe the main value.
femiagbabiaka 4y ago
Well here’s the funny thing: communities are changing anyways. When short sighted communities don’t build, it doesn’t stop people elsewhere from moving in if they have enough money. Even during redlining this was the case. It just pushes out the poorer segments of the existing community. NIMBY-ism is the thing that destroys neighborhood character, because a neighborhood is its people and culture, not its architecture.
- BobbyJo 4y ago
  I think the place will change either way. Either because renters have been pushed out, or because the population has increased with a ton of new people, requiring functional changes (the neighborhood market has become a whole foods, etc.), or both. Building more doesn't stop the makeup of a community from changing. If anything it accelerates it.
cameldrv 4y ago
It won’t be where he grew up in any case, because it won’t have the same mix of people in it. It will only be older people and wealthy professionals.
pizzaknife 4y ago
Can confirm. I am almost 10years out from my "home town" (more or less, socially speaking) and it took me some time to reflect and realize, that "home town" is (for me) a romanticized, emotional concept and "what I experienced" can literally never occur again in that specific geographical location (at least not in 2 lifetimes) due to change. That being said - I do wish my children were able to see their extended family more than once a year (travel costs/calendar coordination/ etc... being the impediments)

sumtechguy 4y ago

Places change. Where I grew up there was a nice mall. It is still there. But 0 of the stores in that mall are the same. The map from the early 80s does not match with the current one in any way. It was a mall with at least 200 stores. The buildings that surrounded that mall are all different/gone/rebuilt. The parks in that city are dumpy junk now, weeds everywhere. The places I remember from a kid are gone. The buildings are there but what made it 'my city' is gone. Replaced ship theseus style with something else. Is it better? Some ways yes. Is it worse? Some ways yes.

ajmurmann 4y ago

Having the option for the people who want to stay there and retain more of your community is a huge value and maybe the main value.

femiagbabiaka 4y ago

Well here’s the funny thing: communities are changing anyways. When short sighted communities don’t build, it doesn’t stop people elsewhere from moving in if they have enough money. Even during redlining this was the case. It just pushes out the poorer segments of the existing community. NIMBY-ism is the thing that destroys neighborhood character, because a neighborhood is its people and culture, not its architecture.

BobbyJo 4y ago
I think the place will change either way. Either because renters have been pushed out, or because the population has increased with a ton of new people, requiring functional changes (the neighborhood market has become a whole foods, etc.), or both. Building more doesn't stop the makeup of a community from changing. If anything it accelerates it.

cameldrv 4y ago

It won’t be where he grew up in any case, because it won’t have the same mix of people in it. It will only be older people and wealthy professionals.

pizzaknife 4y ago

Can confirm. I am almost 10years out from my "home town" (more or less, socially speaking) and it took me some time to reflect and realize, that "home town" is (for me) a romanticized, emotional concept and "what I experienced" can literally never occur again in that specific geographical location (at least not in 2 lifetimes) due to change. That being said - I do wish my children were able to see their extended family more than once a year (travel costs/calendar coordination/ etc... being the impediments)