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> quality of any evidence for Russians claim is nearly 0 Baseless. > Where's the quality evidence for any of this? Proof of what? That Russia has the right t

> quality of any evidence for Russians claim is nearly 0 Baseless. > Where's the quality evidence for any of this? Proof of what? That Russia has the right to protect fellow Russians? Or are doubting the slaughtering part? If it's the latter it's ridiculous, cause even western media (if understated) but wrote about donbas shelling by Ukraine. Read some OSCE reports for example. > A yes, I forgot, Russia the country without access to the internet or other media. Theres plenty of evidence online and plenty of people have provided lots, Russia doesn't care. Ah yes, I forgot, the west bans all even slightly pro-russian outlets (in a very democratic way of course), that's why you didn't see any proof of Ukraine military commiting actual war crimes. But hey, I guess the west just doesn't care. They will fuel the conflict and they will "fight till the last Ukrainian". > The truth, is not propaganda, just because it makes Russia look bad does not mean it's false. I can call my position "the truth", what makes your "truth" better than my "truth", huh? Oh, yes, it doesn't paint the west in any negative connotation. > but I can see why it'd be easy to mix them up. Attaching negative traits to nation that is. It is alike saying "all [nation/race] are criminals", don't you see? > I am also confused about how not liking Russians would make a nazi, care to explain that train of thought for me? If you don't see how HATING ENTIRE NATION makes you a nazi, something is seriously with you. > So the Russians are posting fake news, that makes them look like there castrating a Ukrainian soldier, to their own telegram so that they can achieve what exactly?. Idk, as the tg admin who posted it (btw, if you believe tg channels you have no right to question my sources, lmao). I saw Ukrainian blogger post video of him allegedly "eat a corpse of Russian soldier"(which is entirely fake). What was he trying to achieve? I also saw a video of Ukrainian woman "cutting throat of Russian soldier with a sickle" and saying something along the lines of "you are not welcome here", what was she trying to achieve? I'll tell you what... intimidation. It's psychological warfare. Every side will try post something that is scary to the other. Doesn't matter if it's fake or not.

_kbh_ 4y ago
> Baseless Great evidence you have there I see. > Proof of what? That Russia has the right to protect fellow Russians? Or are doubting the slaughtering part? If it's the latter it's ridiculous, cause even western media (if understated) but wrote about donbas shelling by Ukraine. Read some OSCE reports for example. The Donbas shelling by the Ukrainians, started after the totally not Russian soldiers appeared. You know the ones who were operating that BUK that shot down a passenger jet?. > Ah yes, I forgot, the west bans all even slightly pro-russian outlets (in a very democratic way of course), that's why you didn't see any proof of Ukraine military commiting actual war crimes. But hey, I guess the west just doesn't care. They will fuel the conflict and they will "fight till the last Ukrainian". I am free to read RIA and other Russian government run media outlets, so I not sure what you mean by this. > I can call my position "the truth", what makes your "truth" better than my "truth", huh? Oh, yes, it doesn't paint the west in any negative connotation. my truth is better because it's objectively true, where yours is trying to muddy the waters to further Russian agendas. > Attaching negative traits to nation that is. It is alike saying "all [nation/race] are criminals", don't you see? But the Russians are doing this because we have confessions and video evidence?. > If you don't see how HATING ENTIRE NATION makes you a nazi, something is seriously with you. It's not really about hating the entire nation, its more an expression but I can see why someone who doesn't have English as a first language would mistake that. > Idk, as the tg admin who posted it (btw, if you believe tg channels you have no right to question my sources, lmao). What sources, you haven't posted any?. > I'll tell you what... intimidation. It's psychological warfare. Every side will try post something that is scary to the other. Doesn't matter if it's fake or not. But why would they post a video of _UKRAINIANS_ castrating Ukrainians, claiming for it to be them?. This still makes no sense.
- akamaine 4y ago
  > Great evidence you have there I see. Evidence of what? That you didn't present any evidence? That's kinda obvious. You just talk out of your ass. > after the totally not Russian soldiers appeared. Source? There were no Russian troops in Donbas until 2022. There were volunteers that happen to be Russian, because a lot of Russians have relatives in Donbas and stepped up to help. The was no official operation there. > who were operating that BUK that shot down a passenger jet? It's long been proven that passenger jet was shot by Ukrainians. > I am free to read RIA and other Russian government run media outlets, so I not sure what you mean by this. Maybe you are free to read them, but they will never appear in your feeds and seldom in search queries. Google downranks Russian state media: https://www.yahoo.com/news/2017-11-23-google-will-downrank-russian-state-news-agencies.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/2017-11-23-google-will-downrank-r... Even "pro-unfiltered search" DuckDuckGo downranks Russian media: https://winepressnews.com/2022/03/10/duck-duck-go-will-now-start-down-ranking-sites-associated-with-russian-disinformation/ https://winepressnews.com/2022/03/10/duck-duck-go-will-now-s... YouTube bans Russian state funded channels globally: https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/youtube-blocks-russian-state-funded-media-channels-globally-2022-03-11/ https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/youtube-block... Pro-russian blogger Stas Ikakprosto had all his channels removed by YouTube with no explanation: https://m.vk.com/wall-147782201_594673&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiChenxmK79AhWPxosKHYFNBPUQFnoECAQQAg&usg=AOvVaw0emCU7yWPhR0m1-b9Th1B2 https://m.vk.com/wall-147782201_594673&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiChen... Previously "Goblin's" channels were removed in a similar fashion: https://thenewsdept.com/trending/132885.html https://thenewsdept.com/trending/132885.html Even anti-Putin channel that was broadcasting in Russia for 12 years until they fled to Latvia was banned after merely 4 months of broadcast: https://sweden.postsen.com/news/59011/The-Putin-critical-TV-channel-Dozjd-loses-its-broadcast-license-in-Latvia.html https://sweden.postsen.com/news/59011/The-Putin-critical-TV-... Cherry on top - Musk relevealed documents on twitters censorship: https://nypost.com/2022/12/02/elon-musk-releases-twitters-files-on-censorship-of-post/ https://nypost.com/2022/12/02/elon-musk-releases-twitters-fi... That's not all of course. That is just the stuff that wasn't that hard to find. Is that sufficient enough evidence for you? Censorship on the west is even more severe than in Russia. Because in Russia you can at least use VPN to sidestep a block, but in the west they just remove your stuff or hide it so no one can ever find and read you. Either you are just ignorant or deliberately manipulative. > my truth is better because it's objectively true, where yours is trying to muddy the waters to further Russian agendas. So far you haven't presented any proof of your "objectively true truth", so shut the fuck up. > But the Russians are doing this because we have confessions and video evidence? Russians who? Russian cashier in a storefront? Russian factory workers? Russian engineers? Why tf you generalize 150 million people so carelessly? Criminals are everywhere. Would you be ok with me calling your entire nation criminals if I saw a video of one of you murdering someone? > It's not really about hating the entire nation, its more an expression What tf is this nonsense? Please elaborate. > What sources, you haven't posted any? Idk, maybe the one that you sarcastically called "reliable" earlier? > But why would they post a video of _UKRAINIANS_ castrating Ukrainians, claiming for it to be them? This makes perfect sense. It's a statement along the lines of "see Ukrainians castrate Ukrainians, Russians don't castrate Ukrainians, so better give up and you'll be perfectly safe". Don't you get it?

_kbh_ 4y ago

> Baseless Great evidence you have there I see. > Proof of what? That Russia has the right to protect fellow Russians? Or are doubting the slaughtering part? If it's the latter it's ridiculous, cause even western media (if understated) but wrote about donbas shelling by Ukraine. Read some OSCE reports for example. The Donbas shelling by the Ukrainians, started after the totally not Russian soldiers appeared. You know the ones who were operating that BUK that shot down a passenger jet?. > Ah yes, I forgot, the west bans all even slightly pro-russian outlets (in a very democratic way of course), that's why you didn't see any proof of Ukraine military commiting actual war crimes. But hey, I guess the west just doesn't care. They will fuel the conflict and they will "fight till the last Ukrainian". I am free to read RIA and other Russian government run media outlets, so I not sure what you mean by this. > I can call my position "the truth", what makes your "truth" better than my "truth", huh? Oh, yes, it doesn't paint the west in any negative connotation. my truth is better because it's objectively true, where yours is trying to muddy the waters to further Russian agendas. > Attaching negative traits to nation that is. It is alike saying "all [nation/race] are criminals", don't you see? But the Russians are doing this because we have confessions and video evidence?. > If you don't see how HATING ENTIRE NATION makes you a nazi, something is seriously with you. It's not really about hating the entire nation, its more an expression but I can see why someone who doesn't have English as a first language would mistake that. > Idk, as the tg admin who posted it (btw, if you believe tg channels you have no right to question my sources, lmao). What sources, you haven't posted any?. > I'll tell you what... intimidation. It's psychological warfare. Every side will try post something that is scary to the other. Doesn't matter if it's fake or not. But why would they post a video of _UKRAINIANS_ castrating Ukrainians, claiming for it to be them?. This still makes no sense.

akamaine 4y ago
> Great evidence you have there I see. Evidence of what? That you didn't present any evidence? That's kinda obvious. You just talk out of your ass. > after the totally not Russian soldiers appeared. Source? There were no Russian troops in Donbas until 2022. There were volunteers that happen to be Russian, because a lot of Russians have relatives in Donbas and stepped up to help. The was no official operation there. > who were operating that BUK that shot down a passenger jet? It's long been proven that passenger jet was shot by Ukrainians. > I am free to read RIA and other Russian government run media outlets, so I not sure what you mean by this. Maybe you are free to read them, but they will never appear in your feeds and seldom in search queries. Google downranks Russian state media: https://www.yahoo.com/news/2017-11-23-google-will-downrank-russian-state-news-agencies.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/2017-11-23-google-will-downrank-r... Even "pro-unfiltered search" DuckDuckGo downranks Russian media: https://winepressnews.com/2022/03/10/duck-duck-go-will-now-start-down-ranking-sites-associated-with-russian-disinformation/ https://winepressnews.com/2022/03/10/duck-duck-go-will-now-s... YouTube bans Russian state funded channels globally: https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/youtube-blocks-russian-state-funded-media-channels-globally-2022-03-11/ https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/youtube-block... Pro-russian blogger Stas Ikakprosto had all his channels removed by YouTube with no explanation: https://m.vk.com/wall-147782201_594673&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiChenxmK79AhWPxosKHYFNBPUQFnoECAQQAg&usg=AOvVaw0emCU7yWPhR0m1-b9Th1B2 https://m.vk.com/wall-147782201_594673&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiChen... Previously "Goblin's" channels were removed in a similar fashion: https://thenewsdept.com/trending/132885.html https://thenewsdept.com/trending/132885.html Even anti-Putin channel that was broadcasting in Russia for 12 years until they fled to Latvia was banned after merely 4 months of broadcast: https://sweden.postsen.com/news/59011/The-Putin-critical-TV-channel-Dozjd-loses-its-broadcast-license-in-Latvia.html https://sweden.postsen.com/news/59011/The-Putin-critical-TV-... Cherry on top - Musk relevealed documents on twitters censorship: https://nypost.com/2022/12/02/elon-musk-releases-twitters-files-on-censorship-of-post/ https://nypost.com/2022/12/02/elon-musk-releases-twitters-fi... That's not all of course. That is just the stuff that wasn't that hard to find. Is that sufficient enough evidence for you? Censorship on the west is even more severe than in Russia. Because in Russia you can at least use VPN to sidestep a block, but in the west they just remove your stuff or hide it so no one can ever find and read you. Either you are just ignorant or deliberately manipulative. > my truth is better because it's objectively true, where yours is trying to muddy the waters to further Russian agendas. So far you haven't presented any proof of your "objectively true truth", so shut the fuck up. > But the Russians are doing this because we have confessions and video evidence? Russians who? Russian cashier in a storefront? Russian factory workers? Russian engineers? Why tf you generalize 150 million people so carelessly? Criminals are everywhere. Would you be ok with me calling your entire nation criminals if I saw a video of one of you murdering someone? > It's not really about hating the entire nation, its more an expression What tf is this nonsense? Please elaborate. > What sources, you haven't posted any? Idk, maybe the one that you sarcastically called "reliable" earlier? > But why would they post a video of _UKRAINIANS_ castrating Ukrainians, claiming for it to be them? This makes perfect sense. It's a statement along the lines of "see Ukrainians castrate Ukrainians, Russians don't castrate Ukrainians, so better give up and you'll be perfectly safe". Don't you get it?