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Depressed people take ssri’s their entire life. People with ADHD take adderal or the like. I don’t see any reason to think of obesity as a different type of dis

Depressed people take ssri’s their entire life. People with ADHD take adderal or the like. I don’t see any reason to think of obesity as a different type of disease. Some people just find it extremely difficult to keep off weight, it doesn’t matter what kind of food they’re eating. Yes they could eat less, just like I could keep my thermostat at 45 in the winter to save on my heating bill. But that’s not a realistic solution for most obese people.

DangitBobby 4y ago
It 100% matters what food you are eating, no matter who you are or what conditions you may have.
lm28469 4y ago
> I don’t see any reason to think of obesity as a different type of disease. Because it's man made and completely avoidable. Look at tobacco for example, it was the exact same thing until it wasn't because we woke up and decided to act on the issue Helping currently obese people to get out of the loop is good, breaking the system we built that make more and more people obese would be better. Also, being obese is only a part of the complications of eating shit and not exercising, the rest of the symptoms will catch up eventually, there are no magic pills
- HDThoreaun 4y ago
  > breaking the system we built that make more and more people obese would be better. The system exists because people like it. I don't think it's possible to break it at this point considering how people normally react to having their life made worse. You can't stop people from eating what they want, but these drugs make it possible to change what they want.
  - lm28469 4y ago
    > You can't stop people from eating what they want, You can certainly stop advertising junk food to kids, that would be a good start. You can also regulate things you know, like not having your entire daily sugar requirement in a single can of soda Btw if you still eat the same garbage you'll still absolutely wreck your body, obese or not, you'll need a diabetes pill, a cardiovascular disease pill, a blood pressure pill, a kidney boosting pill, &c. You are what you eat, quite literally.
    - HDThoreaun 4y ago
      > You can also regulate things you know, like not having your entire daily sugar requirement in a single can of soda This will never happen in the US. I wouldn't mind, by anyone who votes for this would be dead in the water politically.
msrenee 4y ago
If the weight stays off even after 10 years on the drug, then that's great in my book. Nicotine, caffeine, and bariatric surgery all reduce your appetite in the short run, but your body eventually adapts and your weight starts climbing again. Until we've got more than a couple years of data, I'm not holding out hope that this drug won't eventually lose its punch for maintaining a lower weight. The main problem to my mind is that cheap, easy, accessible foods are high in both fat and carbs. Fat is satiating, but super calorie dense. Carbs are less calorie dense, but spike your blood sugar. After your blood sugar levels drop, your body signals that you're hungry again in spite of the fact that you've eaten plenty of calories. So now you're starving again and you've surpassed the number of calories you can reasonably utilize without storing it as fat. Add in the fact that evolution hasn't even begun to catch up with the current situation where calories are not a scarce resource (in the US and similar countries) and your body is screaming to eat while the eating's good. This causes you to comsume way too many calories and nowhere near enough vitamins and minerals. It's a lot of work to eat right anymore. You're working 40 hours a week if you're lucky, you're exhausted and feel like shit and you may not even be able to afford what you need to be eating to maintain a healthy weight. And, just to make things more fun, there's 1000 sources telling you 1000 different things about what you should and shouldn't eat to be healthy. Cholesterol is bad for you - wait, no it isn't. Eat whole grains. No, don't, that's sugar! Eat fruit. Oh no, fruit is basically all sugar. No it isn't, it's full of fiber and that cancels out the sugar. Don't eat fats, except unsaturated fats, but those are calorie dense. Vegetable oil is unsaturated, but that's bad for you too in a different way. It's damn frustrating. If it were as easy as just eating less, no one would be obese. Back to the point of the article, however, I don't think it's as simple as taking a magic pill. How many miracle weight loss drugs have come and gone over the last decade? I'm not holding my breath that this is the one that will turn out to work forever with no severe downsides.
- HDThoreaun 4y ago
  > How many miracle weight loss drugs have come and gone over the last decade? Realistically, none. These are the only ones that have ever been found to actually work, everything else is either homeopathy or has terrible side effects. I agree that having food that tastes better is the main culprit for the obesity epidemic, but I don't think the answer is making tasty, addictive, food harder to access. Those foods are popular because people like them, they bring people happiness. It absolutely is a lot of work to eat right, but it doesn't have to be with these drugs.

DangitBobby 4y ago

It 100% matters what food you are eating, no matter who you are or what conditions you may have.

lm28469 4y ago

> I don’t see any reason to think of obesity as a different type of disease. Because it's man made and completely avoidable. Look at tobacco for example, it was the exact same thing until it wasn't because we woke up and decided to act on the issue Helping currently obese people to get out of the loop is good, breaking the system we built that make more and more people obese would be better. Also, being obese is only a part of the complications of eating shit and not exercising, the rest of the symptoms will catch up eventually, there are no magic pills

HDThoreaun 4y ago
> breaking the system we built that make more and more people obese would be better. The system exists because people like it. I don't think it's possible to break it at this point considering how people normally react to having their life made worse. You can't stop people from eating what they want, but these drugs make it possible to change what they want.
- lm28469 4y ago
  > You can't stop people from eating what they want, You can certainly stop advertising junk food to kids, that would be a good start. You can also regulate things you know, like not having your entire daily sugar requirement in a single can of soda Btw if you still eat the same garbage you'll still absolutely wreck your body, obese or not, you'll need a diabetes pill, a cardiovascular disease pill, a blood pressure pill, a kidney boosting pill, &c. You are what you eat, quite literally.
  - HDThoreaun 4y ago
    > You can also regulate things you know, like not having your entire daily sugar requirement in a single can of soda This will never happen in the US. I wouldn't mind, by anyone who votes for this would be dead in the water politically.

msrenee 4y ago

If the weight stays off even after 10 years on the drug, then that's great in my book. Nicotine, caffeine, and bariatric surgery all reduce your appetite in the short run, but your body eventually adapts and your weight starts climbing again. Until we've got more than a couple years of data, I'm not holding out hope that this drug won't eventually lose its punch for maintaining a lower weight. The main problem to my mind is that cheap, easy, accessible foods are high in both fat and carbs. Fat is satiating, but super calorie dense. Carbs are less calorie dense, but spike your blood sugar. After your blood sugar levels drop, your body signals that you're hungry again in spite of the fact that you've eaten plenty of calories. So now you're starving again and you've surpassed the number of calories you can reasonably utilize without storing it as fat. Add in the fact that evolution hasn't even begun to catch up with the current situation where calories are not a scarce resource (in the US and similar countries) and your body is screaming to eat while the eating's good. This causes you to comsume way too many calories and nowhere near enough vitamins and minerals. It's a lot of work to eat right anymore. You're working 40 hours a week if you're lucky, you're exhausted and feel like shit and you may not even be able to afford what you need to be eating to maintain a healthy weight. And, just to make things more fun, there's 1000 sources telling you 1000 different things about what you should and shouldn't eat to be healthy. Cholesterol is bad for you - wait, no it isn't. Eat whole grains. No, don't, that's sugar! Eat fruit. Oh no, fruit is basically all sugar. No it isn't, it's full of fiber and that cancels out the sugar. Don't eat fats, except unsaturated fats, but those are calorie dense. Vegetable oil is unsaturated, but that's bad for you too in a different way. It's damn frustrating. If it were as easy as just eating less, no one would be obese. Back to the point of the article, however, I don't think it's as simple as taking a magic pill. How many miracle weight loss drugs have come and gone over the last decade? I'm not holding my breath that this is the one that will turn out to work forever with no severe downsides.

HDThoreaun 4y ago
> How many miracle weight loss drugs have come and gone over the last decade? Realistically, none. These are the only ones that have ever been found to actually work, everything else is either homeopathy or has terrible side effects. I agree that having food that tastes better is the main culprit for the obesity epidemic, but I don't think the answer is making tasty, addictive, food harder to access. Those foods are popular because people like them, they bring people happiness. It absolutely is a lot of work to eat right, but it doesn't have to be with these drugs.