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Instagram is a private company. Tiktok answers to the CCP. There’s a big difference.

ajsnigrutin 4y ago
So instagram doesn't give data to US security agencies? Didn't you see the twitter files? Do you think instagram is any better?
- philliphaydon 4y ago
  Let’s assume for a moment that the NSA has free unfiltered access to all data in Facebook Twitter Instagram etc. If you speak ill of the president of the United States… what happens? Nothing much… Yet if you say the wrong thing on Chinese social media in China you can be arrested. There’s quite a large difference where one is trying to prevent a terrorist attack while the other is trying to control the commoners.
  - ajsnigrutin 4y ago
    But I'm not in china. And i'm pretty sure our police has easier ways to get facebook/twitter data than tiktok (qq, ...) data. > Yet if you say the wrong thing on Chinese social media in China you can be arrested. Same in eg. britain. And again, they're in "five eyes" and get access to many things. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/arrests-for-offensive-facebook-and-twitter-posts-soar-in-london-a7064246.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/arrests-for-offensive-... > According to the Register, a total of 2,500 Londoners have been arrested over the past five years for allegedly sending “offensive” messages via social media. In 2015, 857 people were detained, up 37 per cent increase since 2010.
    - philliphaydon 4y ago
      I'm really unsure why people try to justify it as 'but im not in china' like that makes everything ok or makes you think you're free from the grasp of the CCP. > Same in eg. britain. And again, they're in "five eyes" and get access to many things. Except it's not the same thing, its broken laws on public display. No need for data collection for that. But nice attempt at trying to change from China to US to UK.
      - snehk 4y ago
        > Except it's not the same thing, its broken laws on public display. It's the exact same thing in China. We can disagree with the laws there but it's not like laws don't exist and they just do whatever. The laws are draconian but they're still laws.
        philliphaydon 4y ago
        > It's the exact same thing in China. It's really not the same thing.
        snehk 4y ago
        It's the exact same thing, you just don't like it because it causes cognitive dissonance.
  - snehk 4y ago
    The US has admitted to literally killing people based on meta data.
BrandoElFollito 4y ago
Instagram is a US private company. It is bound to US law that can force them to hand over whatever is needed.

So instagram doesn't give data to US security agencies? Didn't you see the twitter files? Do you think instagram is any better?

philliphaydon 4y ago
Let’s assume for a moment that the NSA has free unfiltered access to all data in Facebook Twitter Instagram etc. If you speak ill of the president of the United States… what happens? Nothing much… Yet if you say the wrong thing on Chinese social media in China you can be arrested. There’s quite a large difference where one is trying to prevent a terrorist attack while the other is trying to control the commoners.
- ajsnigrutin 4y ago
  But I'm not in china. And i'm pretty sure our police has easier ways to get facebook/twitter data than tiktok (qq, ...) data. > Yet if you say the wrong thing on Chinese social media in China you can be arrested. Same in eg. britain. And again, they're in "five eyes" and get access to many things. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/arrests-for-offensive-facebook-and-twitter-posts-soar-in-london-a7064246.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/arrests-for-offensive-... > According to the Register, a total of 2,500 Londoners have been arrested over the past five years for allegedly sending “offensive” messages via social media. In 2015, 857 people were detained, up 37 per cent increase since 2010.
  - philliphaydon 4y ago
    I'm really unsure why people try to justify it as 'but im not in china' like that makes everything ok or makes you think you're free from the grasp of the CCP. > Same in eg. britain. And again, they're in "five eyes" and get access to many things. Except it's not the same thing, its broken laws on public display. No need for data collection for that. But nice attempt at trying to change from China to US to UK.
    - snehk 4y ago
      > Except it's not the same thing, its broken laws on public display. It's the exact same thing in China. We can disagree with the laws there but it's not like laws don't exist and they just do whatever. The laws are draconian but they're still laws.
      - philliphaydon 4y ago
        > It's the exact same thing in China. It's really not the same thing.
        snehk 4y ago
        It's the exact same thing, you just don't like it because it causes cognitive dissonance.
- snehk 4y ago
  The US has admitted to literally killing people based on meta data.

BrandoElFollito 4y ago

Instagram is a US private company. It is bound to US law that can force them to hand over whatever is needed.