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On one hand, people use their work phones for personal stuff too... on the other hand, some politicians have used tiktok before to either spread propaganda, bra

On one hand, people use their work phones for personal stuff too... on the other hand, some politicians have used tiktok before to either spread propaganda, brag about stuff, try to influence voters, etc. For example, our (slovenian) former president is "famous" for using instagram a lot ( [1][2] ), but since instagram is american and american three-letter agencies get the data, that's ok, but if the chinese do it, it's bad. [1] https://www.instagram.com/borutpahor/ https://www.instagram.com/borutpahor/ [2] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/08/borut-pahor-slovenia-instagram-president https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/08/borut-pahor-sl...

luckylion 4y ago
This isn't about politicians but about EU employees. They shouldn't be running their personal political campaigns at all, be it on TikTok, Instagram or some Mastodon instance.
- ajsnigrutin 4y ago
  But those are intertwined. Some of our run down local politicians ended up in various eu institutions, and some have returned to our local politics and elections. This is probably true for other countries too. They never know where they'll have to go next, so keeping public appearances is a must for many of them, so people don't forget them. On the other hand, a lot of people make fun of those politicians here, and post the making-fun-of videos on tiktok (and youtube, and reddit,...), so those politicians want to see them too.
  - luckylion 4y ago
    Sorry, you mean Slovenian politicians get hired as top EU bureaucrats (i.e. not elected to EU parliament, but working for the EU commission as executives in some capacity), and then return to Slovenian politics when they see a chance to win some local election?
    - ajsnigrutin 4y ago
      Ok let's leave slovenia out of this, because we're a small country, and lets go "big" I'm saying that eg. ursula von der leyen is a german CDU member (deputy leader of the party), a former minister of defence in germany, and when she stops being the president of european comission she'll probably return to germany with some big merkel-like political career in mind. So yeah, after her EU comission presidency, I can see her trying to go big in germany, and she'll need a lot of voter support to achieve that. Starting an election campaing while still in EU office is something she'll probably do.
- KyeRussell 4y ago
  It really isn’t. If we are ignoring security, using a work computer for personal reasons is utterly inconsequential and not at all newsworthy beyond some extremely American 24-hour-news-cycle alarmism. The only reason this is ‘newsworthy’ in the first place is because it’s about TikTok, and because people are spooked (rightfully or not) about China.
ceejayoz 4y ago
Slovenia and the US are both in a major military defensive alliance together. China is not. That’s a fairly significant difference.
- ajsnigrutin 4y ago
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  - philliphaydon 4y ago
    > US destroyed their pipeline Please don’t say this like it’s fact. We have no idea what happened.
    - ajsnigrutin 4y ago
      On one hand, who had the motive and the means to do it? On the other hand, you'd expect literally hundreds of investigrators, 24/7 news reporting, investigations, reports, etc. trying to find out who did it... unless they know who did it. If any other country had billions and billions of damage caused by someone else, the story would neve die down so fast as it did with nordstreams...
      - ceejayoz 4y ago
        Even the Russians didn't blame the US until Sy Hersh's shaky allegations; they accused the Brits, so it's not as obvious as you make it out to be. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-british-navy-personnel-blew-up-nord-stream-gas-pipelines-2022-10-29/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-british-nav... Speaking of motive and means, Russia has both - motives might be things like "get Gazprom out of contract penalties" and "sow discord between NATO allies", means is fairly obvious. As for investigations: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/02/22/russia-un-nord-stream-hersh-investigation/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/02/22/... > Investigations by Sweden, Denmark and Germany are underway five months later. In a letter to the Security Council on Tuesday, those governments said they have established “that there has been extensive damage” to the pipelines “and that the damage was caused by powerful explosions due to sabotage.”
philliphaydon 4y ago
Instagram is a private company. Tiktok answers to the CCP. There’s a big difference.
- ajsnigrutin 4y ago
  So instagram doesn't give data to US security agencies? Didn't you see the twitter files? Do you think instagram is any better?
  - philliphaydon 4y ago
    Let’s assume for a moment that the NSA has free unfiltered access to all data in Facebook Twitter Instagram etc. If you speak ill of the president of the United States… what happens? Nothing much… Yet if you say the wrong thing on Chinese social media in China you can be arrested. There’s quite a large difference where one is trying to prevent a terrorist attack while the other is trying to control the commoners.
    - ajsnigrutin 4y ago
      But I'm not in china. And i'm pretty sure our police has easier ways to get facebook/twitter data than tiktok (qq, ...) data. > Yet if you say the wrong thing on Chinese social media in China you can be arrested. Same in eg. britain. And again, they're in "five eyes" and get access to many things. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/arrests-for-offensive-facebook-and-twitter-posts-soar-in-london-a7064246.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/arrests-for-offensive-... > According to the Register, a total of 2,500 Londoners have been arrested over the past five years for allegedly sending “offensive” messages via social media. In 2015, 857 people were detained, up 37 per cent increase since 2010.
      - philliphaydon 4y ago
        I'm really unsure why people try to justify it as 'but im not in china' like that makes everything ok or makes you think you're free from the grasp of the CCP. > Same in eg. britain. And again, they're in "five eyes" and get access to many things. Except it's not the same thing, its broken laws on public display. No need for data collection for that. But nice attempt at trying to change from China to US to UK.

luckylion 4y ago

This isn't about politicians but about EU employees. They shouldn't be running their personal political campaigns at all, be it on TikTok, Instagram or some Mastodon instance.

ajsnigrutin 4y ago
But those are intertwined. Some of our run down local politicians ended up in various eu institutions, and some have returned to our local politics and elections. This is probably true for other countries too. They never know where they'll have to go next, so keeping public appearances is a must for many of them, so people don't forget them. On the other hand, a lot of people make fun of those politicians here, and post the making-fun-of videos on tiktok (and youtube, and reddit,...), so those politicians want to see them too.
- luckylion 4y ago
  Sorry, you mean Slovenian politicians get hired as top EU bureaucrats (i.e. not elected to EU parliament, but working for the EU commission as executives in some capacity), and then return to Slovenian politics when they see a chance to win some local election?
  - ajsnigrutin 4y ago
    Ok let's leave slovenia out of this, because we're a small country, and lets go "big" I'm saying that eg. ursula von der leyen is a german CDU member (deputy leader of the party), a former minister of defence in germany, and when she stops being the president of european comission she'll probably return to germany with some big merkel-like political career in mind. So yeah, after her EU comission presidency, I can see her trying to go big in germany, and she'll need a lot of voter support to achieve that. Starting an election campaing while still in EU office is something she'll probably do.
KyeRussell 4y ago
It really isn’t. If we are ignoring security, using a work computer for personal reasons is utterly inconsequential and not at all newsworthy beyond some extremely American 24-hour-news-cycle alarmism. The only reason this is ‘newsworthy’ in the first place is because it’s about TikTok, and because people are spooked (rightfully or not) about China.

ceejayoz 4y ago

Slovenia and the US are both in a major military defensive alliance together. China is not. That’s a fairly significant difference.

ajsnigrutin 4y ago
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- philliphaydon 4y ago
  > US destroyed their pipeline Please don’t say this like it’s fact. We have no idea what happened.
  - ajsnigrutin 4y ago
    On one hand, who had the motive and the means to do it? On the other hand, you'd expect literally hundreds of investigrators, 24/7 news reporting, investigations, reports, etc. trying to find out who did it... unless they know who did it. If any other country had billions and billions of damage caused by someone else, the story would neve die down so fast as it did with nordstreams...
    - ceejayoz 4y ago
      Even the Russians didn't blame the US until Sy Hersh's shaky allegations; they accused the Brits, so it's not as obvious as you make it out to be. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-british-navy-personnel-blew-up-nord-stream-gas-pipelines-2022-10-29/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-british-nav... Speaking of motive and means, Russia has both - motives might be things like "get Gazprom out of contract penalties" and "sow discord between NATO allies", means is fairly obvious. As for investigations: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/02/22/russia-un-nord-stream-hersh-investigation/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/02/22/... > Investigations by Sweden, Denmark and Germany are underway five months later. In a letter to the Security Council on Tuesday, those governments said they have established “that there has been extensive damage” to the pipelines “and that the damage was caused by powerful explosions due to sabotage.”

philliphaydon 4y ago

Instagram is a private company. Tiktok answers to the CCP. There’s a big difference.

ajsnigrutin 4y ago
So instagram doesn't give data to US security agencies? Didn't you see the twitter files? Do you think instagram is any better?
- philliphaydon 4y ago
  Let’s assume for a moment that the NSA has free unfiltered access to all data in Facebook Twitter Instagram etc. If you speak ill of the president of the United States… what happens? Nothing much… Yet if you say the wrong thing on Chinese social media in China you can be arrested. There’s quite a large difference where one is trying to prevent a terrorist attack while the other is trying to control the commoners.
  - ajsnigrutin 4y ago
    But I'm not in china. And i'm pretty sure our police has easier ways to get facebook/twitter data than tiktok (qq, ...) data. > Yet if you say the wrong thing on Chinese social media in China you can be arrested. Same in eg. britain. And again, they're in "five eyes" and get access to many things. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/arrests-for-offensive-facebook-and-twitter-posts-soar-in-london-a7064246.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/arrests-for-offensive-... > According to the Register, a total of 2,500 Londoners have been arrested over the past five years for allegedly sending “offensive” messages via social media. In 2015, 857 people were detained, up 37 per cent increase since 2010.
    - philliphaydon 4y ago
      I'm really unsure why people try to justify it as 'but im not in china' like that makes everything ok or makes you think you're free from the grasp of the CCP. > Same in eg. britain. And again, they're in "five eyes" and get access to many things. Except it's not the same thing, its broken laws on public display. No need for data collection for that. But nice attempt at trying to change from China to US to UK.