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even if you're economically good, it's logical that urban people don't want kids. - with 8-5, 5 days a week work schedule, there's too little time to do anythi

even if you're economically good, it's logical that urban people don't want kids. - with 8-5, 5 days a week work schedule, there's too little time to do anything. Raising kids are huge commitment and time sink - even with time, if you don't have good standing at the population, it'll risk that your kids will have a hard time in the future - there's too much entertainment and distraction (even travel plans) available nowadays that are too precious to miss just because you need to take care of kids

nine_zeros 4y ago
You are right. To add, the real problem is that a lot of the urban populace also wants to have kids - but later. This is because until the age of 30, people are not settled in any careers that pays well enough. They are burdened with debt. They are also having a hard time finding long-term partners. All of these cause delay in family planning. But the delay is hard on fertility. Women go through years and years of ART (IUI, IVF etc.) to get 1 viable pregnancy. Many women can't even get pregnant. Asking couples to do so much in life and still be able to produce and raise kids is insane.
- lazide 4y ago
  Urban environments in general are population dense (which goes against wanting to add more people), and resource rich (so lots of other distractions, and ability to suppress fertility through birth control). Thinking ‘I’ll just have them later’ is standard delusional thinking. It’s like someone saying they’ll ‘start eating healthy next week’.
  - nine_zeros 4y ago
    > Thinking ‘I’ll just have them later’ is standard delusional thinking. It’s like someone saying they’ll ‘start eating healthy next week’. It is easy to judge. In reality, circumstances often make it impossible to start a family sooner.
    - lazide 4y ago
      Not judging, just recognizing. Been there, done that. The reality is, except for being locked up in solitary confinement or being held on a deserted island with no members of the opposite sex, it really doesn't take much for a woman to get pregnant. In fact, without work to stop it, it's common for women be pregnant nearly all the time in any mixed social environment. I think what you're referring to is 'not possible to start a family with the circumstances and standard of living desired', which is a different problem. It's always about prioritization and choices. Most of the time, we just don't want to recognize the choices we're implicitly making - and there are a lot of reasons for it. Delusions are a survival mechanism, and we evolved them for a reason, after all.
- dumpsterlid 4y ago
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hulitu 4y ago
> - with 8-5, 5 days a week work schedule, there's too little time to do anything It's worse than that. For a lot of people 8-5 becomes 7 to 6.

nine_zeros 4y ago

You are right. To add, the real problem is that a lot of the urban populace also wants to have kids - but later. This is because until the age of 30, people are not settled in any careers that pays well enough. They are burdened with debt. They are also having a hard time finding long-term partners. All of these cause delay in family planning. But the delay is hard on fertility. Women go through years and years of ART (IUI, IVF etc.) to get 1 viable pregnancy. Many women can't even get pregnant. Asking couples to do so much in life and still be able to produce and raise kids is insane.

lazide 4y ago
Urban environments in general are population dense (which goes against wanting to add more people), and resource rich (so lots of other distractions, and ability to suppress fertility through birth control). Thinking ‘I’ll just have them later’ is standard delusional thinking. It’s like someone saying they’ll ‘start eating healthy next week’.
- nine_zeros 4y ago
  > Thinking ‘I’ll just have them later’ is standard delusional thinking. It’s like someone saying they’ll ‘start eating healthy next week’. It is easy to judge. In reality, circumstances often make it impossible to start a family sooner.
  - lazide 4y ago
    Not judging, just recognizing. Been there, done that. The reality is, except for being locked up in solitary confinement or being held on a deserted island with no members of the opposite sex, it really doesn't take much for a woman to get pregnant. In fact, without work to stop it, it's common for women be pregnant nearly all the time in any mixed social environment. I think what you're referring to is 'not possible to start a family with the circumstances and standard of living desired', which is a different problem. It's always about prioritization and choices. Most of the time, we just don't want to recognize the choices we're implicitly making - and there are a lot of reasons for it. Delusions are a survival mechanism, and we evolved them for a reason, after all.
dumpsterlid 4y ago
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hulitu 4y ago

> - with 8-5, 5 days a week work schedule, there's too little time to do anything It's worse than that. For a lot of people 8-5 becomes 7 to 6.