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Russia used to be such a humongous nation in culture, science, art. And now look at it today, a dystopian shithole. Tsar Russia was a backwards and problematic

Russia used to be such a humongous nation in culture, science, art. And now look at it today, a dystopian shithole. Tsar Russia was a backwards and problematic nation. WW1 and the consequent, The Russian revolution, is still the largest catastrophe to ever happen to the human race. Imagine a 400 million liberal Russian nation today, a timeline where the bolsheviks dont take over.

braymundo 4y ago
If Tsar russia was backwards and problematic (which I fully agree), and the soviets catastrophic (which I fully agree), was russia ever great just because it had some exponents, as every country does? The fact is that russia was always deeply problematic and imperialistic and the writing was on the wall forever.
- GrigoriyMikh 4y ago
  Can you explain to me, why USSR was a catastrophe? And from whose perspective? Please, provide economical facts. As stuff about "repressions", althought, for sure, took place in USSR(as in US) and had few very well known cases of excess, is mostly based on US propaganda. To be clear, i'm not defending the personality of Stalin or any other ruler and aware of excesses in power that they used(whatever the motivation for that was). But i would argue, that it was at the same level as in US(by politician and business owners). And even much milder, if we take into account US colonialism and suffering(physical and economical) that it caused to many nations all across the globe.
GrigoriyMikh 4y ago
Why October revolution was a catastrophe? Or more precisely, from whose perspective? Tsarists Russia was agrarian state with minimal human rights for common folk. And then take a look what common people had after Stalin's era. Almost everyone had a housing/education. No risks of becoming homeless/unemployed. And that after a multiple catastrophes that USSR indured because of external factors(famines and wars). Modern Russia is wholey based on Soviet achievements. And it's people are still holding up, provided with food and shelter, despite actions of it's rulers and oligarchy. Indeed, what a catastrophe was an October revolution.
- braymundo 4y ago
  It seems someone has been re-educated in a gulag.
  - genman 4y ago
    It's just common Russian everyday propaganda since Putin usurped the power in Russia. Has been going on since 2000. Now we see to where it got them.
    - GrigoriyMikh 4y ago
      Do you really think that current Russian Oligarchy government for some reason creates Communist propaganda in Russia? Wouldn't it be against their interest?
      - genman 4y ago
        Communist? No, just the plain old Russian imperialist and chauvinist propaganda like it always has been. Soviet Union was just a new skin for the same old. The collapse of it gave Russians an unique change to raise above it but it didn't happen. Russians got really unlucky with Putin. He gave nothing and took everything. You likely want to disagree but it is true - Putin came to power just after Yeltsin era hard and difficult reforms were done and oil prices, that were for a decade record low, skyrocketed. And Russian economy is nothing more than oil, and then some more oil and gas.
        GrigoriyMikh 4y ago
        I'm not sure what should i want to disagree about here. Putin is not a good guy in my opinion, as is Yeltsin. I don't think that natural resources, such as oil, should be privatized. To be honest, i think it shouldn't be nationalized either, as i'm against idea of economically autonomous nations. The globalization is the only way for humanity to survive(i believe). And yes, i realize that it sounds utopic.

braymundo 4y ago

If Tsar russia was backwards and problematic (which I fully agree), and the soviets catastrophic (which I fully agree), was russia ever great just because it had some exponents, as every country does? The fact is that russia was always deeply problematic and imperialistic and the writing was on the wall forever.

GrigoriyMikh 4y ago
Can you explain to me, why USSR was a catastrophe? And from whose perspective? Please, provide economical facts. As stuff about "repressions", althought, for sure, took place in USSR(as in US) and had few very well known cases of excess, is mostly based on US propaganda. To be clear, i'm not defending the personality of Stalin or any other ruler and aware of excesses in power that they used(whatever the motivation for that was). But i would argue, that it was at the same level as in US(by politician and business owners). And even much milder, if we take into account US colonialism and suffering(physical and economical) that it caused to many nations all across the globe.

GrigoriyMikh 4y ago

Why October revolution was a catastrophe? Or more precisely, from whose perspective? Tsarists Russia was agrarian state with minimal human rights for common folk. And then take a look what common people had after Stalin's era. Almost everyone had a housing/education. No risks of becoming homeless/unemployed. And that after a multiple catastrophes that USSR indured because of external factors(famines and wars). Modern Russia is wholey based on Soviet achievements. And it's people are still holding up, provided with food and shelter, despite actions of it's rulers and oligarchy. Indeed, what a catastrophe was an October revolution.

braymundo 4y ago
It seems someone has been re-educated in a gulag.
- genman 4y ago
  It's just common Russian everyday propaganda since Putin usurped the power in Russia. Has been going on since 2000. Now we see to where it got them.
  - GrigoriyMikh 4y ago
    Do you really think that current Russian Oligarchy government for some reason creates Communist propaganda in Russia? Wouldn't it be against their interest?
    - genman 4y ago
      Communist? No, just the plain old Russian imperialist and chauvinist propaganda like it always has been. Soviet Union was just a new skin for the same old. The collapse of it gave Russians an unique change to raise above it but it didn't happen. Russians got really unlucky with Putin. He gave nothing and took everything. You likely want to disagree but it is true - Putin came to power just after Yeltsin era hard and difficult reforms were done and oil prices, that were for a decade record low, skyrocketed. And Russian economy is nothing more than oil, and then some more oil and gas.
      - GrigoriyMikh 4y ago
        I'm not sure what should i want to disagree about here. Putin is not a good guy in my opinion, as is Yeltsin. I don't think that natural resources, such as oil, should be privatized. To be honest, i think it shouldn't be nationalized either, as i'm against idea of economically autonomous nations. The globalization is the only way for humanity to survive(i believe). And yes, i realize that it sounds utopic.