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>> It had the police department logo > Doesn't matter. Uh, actually, if nothing else --- this should definitely matter. >> But, as we now know, the vast major

>> It had the police department logo > Doesn't matter. Uh, actually, if nothing else --- this should definitely matter. >> But, as we now know, the vast majority of people do not fact check. They take dumb shit like this at face value, hook line and sinker. > Doesn't matter. So the consequences of one's actions, don't matter?

bolanyo 4y ago
> So the consequences of one's actions, don't matter? For the purposes of the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, this is broadly correct.
- mtrower 4y ago
  Sure. Context matters here. The person I was responding to, gave literally none outside a few snippets of the parent. The context I was following down from the top was (mainly) "obvious parody".
ceejayoz 4y ago
> Uh, actually, if nothing else --- this should definitely matter. No. It doesn’t. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Yes_Men https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Yes_Men exploits for plenty of examples, like https://theyesmen.org/project/snowcones https://theyesmen.org/project/snowcones It is legal to parodize your local police department if you live in the US. (You would get in trouble if you tried to make parody traffic stops with a parody police car with parody flashing lights, but that’s very different than a Facebook page.) > So the consequences of one's actions, don't matter? The government may not punish legally protected First Amendment speech - which parody absolutely is. Your boss can fire you for it, though.
- cpncrunch 4y ago
  You can't be punished for parody or speech itself, but you can be punished if you break any laws by publishing that speech. I don't see any laws broken by the Yes men example. It is reasonable for the police to believe that the law was broken in this case, due to the 911 calls and similar disruption that could reasonably be expected to happen in this case, and the judges agreed, which is why his legal bid to sue the police failed.
mrguyorama 4y ago
If the community you police cannot tell that a facebook post talking about minorities needing to pass a special test to join the force is parody, then that should tell you how horrifically bad your police department is.
- mtrower 4y ago
  It tells you at most what public perception is, whether it aligns with reality, or not.

bolanyo 4y ago

> So the consequences of one's actions, don't matter? For the purposes of the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, this is broadly correct.

mtrower 4y ago
Sure. Context matters here. The person I was responding to, gave literally none outside a few snippets of the parent. The context I was following down from the top was (mainly) "obvious parody".

ceejayoz 4y ago

> Uh, actually, if nothing else --- this should definitely matter. No. It doesn’t. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Yes_Men https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Yes_Men exploits for plenty of examples, like https://theyesmen.org/project/snowcones https://theyesmen.org/project/snowcones It is legal to parodize your local police department if you live in the US. (You would get in trouble if you tried to make parody traffic stops with a parody police car with parody flashing lights, but that’s very different than a Facebook page.) > So the consequences of one's actions, don't matter? The government may not punish legally protected First Amendment speech - which parody absolutely is. Your boss can fire you for it, though.

cpncrunch 4y ago
You can't be punished for parody or speech itself, but you can be punished if you break any laws by publishing that speech. I don't see any laws broken by the Yes men example. It is reasonable for the police to believe that the law was broken in this case, due to the 911 calls and similar disruption that could reasonably be expected to happen in this case, and the judges agreed, which is why his legal bid to sue the police failed.

mrguyorama 4y ago

If the community you police cannot tell that a facebook post talking about minorities needing to pass a special test to join the force is parody, then that should tell you how horrifically bad your police department is.

mtrower 4y ago
It tells you at most what public perception is, whether it aligns with reality, or not.