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Goddamn kids never change. Booze, drugs, and the make out cave with graffiti all over it. Viking resumes and Viking guidance counselors must've been interestin

Goddamn kids never change. Booze, drugs, and the make out cave with graffiti all over it. Viking resumes and Viking guidance counselors must've been interesting. "I'm sorry, I lied. I only have 1 year of experience of plundering at sea. And I wasn't captain of a fleet of pirate ships. My references are real though."

pjmlp 4y ago
There is a surviving letter from a famous roman writer, complaing about how his son is wasting money in parties and alchool instead of studying in the Athens university. Maybe someone else knows his name and the letter reference better. Some things never change, yeah.
- praptak 4y ago
  "Even Sumerians complained about the young" sounds like an urban legend but it is not, there's a historical record of a scribe from Ur complaining about his ungrateful son, loitering about public squares rather than dutifully training to become a scribe: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/001112875700300210 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/001112875700300...
  - tmtvl 4y ago
    In the stone age my friends often complained about their kids spending time painting their hands on cave walls rather than learning how to properly knap a flint knife.
  - smcl 4y ago
    This is why I’m really insistent on pushing back on “kids these days…” complaints. Every single generation has had grumpy people who whine about how the young’uns are unruly, lazy, have it easy, etc. I’m starting to people in my age group (mid 30s) saying it, which is a little bit sad since it was not long ago that we were on the receiving end of a lot of “psssh, typical millennials…” nonsense :-/
    - Extasia785 4y ago
      This is an interesting topic though, because this generation is the first generation of kids who grew up with social media, so it's not unfathomable that "kids these days" are different, for better or worse. Kids these days might be normal, but with them being the first generation to truly grow up in the internet and social media era, there is a legitimate argument that they are not.
      - smcl 4y ago
        You're not wrong that there will be some kind of difference in how they grow up, but I think each generation has grown up exposed to new technologies from birth that the previous one wasn't. My thought is that it would be really unusual if, after decades and decades of "kids these days..." that this is the time it is finally right that the current generation are in some way worse or more badly behaved or whatever negative connotation people may be using at any given point. There's a lot of "I think..." in this so obviously this is totally based on speculation and from what I've seen in my encounters with Gen Z, where they generally seem pretty good and certainly no worse behaved than my fellow millenials :)
      - devonkim 4y ago
        I’m much more upset at the cruelty and hypocrisy kids display (and of course by extension the adults that grow no wiser) in that when I was on the Internet as a kid you were a loser and loner. And now if you’re _not_ on the Internet enough you’re a loser and loner. Have to admit that the movie Black Phone was much better than I thought because the children were portrayed very realistically in their dynamics and yet still we were reminded of their vulnerability in society as those without many rights or privileges that adults have. Furthermore, the child abuse… I don’t even flinch at some of the most brutal violence in media anymore because it seems so comical typically but I felt sick during that part. Horror to me is reality oftentimes I guess and much of why I watch horror is to desensitize myself a bit about the horrors of our world.
    - minxomat 4y ago
      Everything old is new again … https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/juvenoia https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/juvenoia
- science4sail 4y ago
  It was the orator Cicero! > Cicero hoped that his son Marcus would become a philosopher like him, but Marcus himself wished for a military career. He joined the army of Pompey in 49 BC and after Pompey's defeat at Pharsalus 48 BC, he was pardoned by Caesar. Cicero sent him to Athens to study as a disciple of the peripatetic philosopher Kratippos in 48 BC, but he used this absence from "his father's vigilant eye" to "eat, drink and be merry." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicero#Family https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicero#Family

pjmlp 4y ago

There is a surviving letter from a famous roman writer, complaing about how his son is wasting money in parties and alchool instead of studying in the Athens university. Maybe someone else knows his name and the letter reference better. Some things never change, yeah.

praptak 4y ago
"Even Sumerians complained about the young" sounds like an urban legend but it is not, there's a historical record of a scribe from Ur complaining about his ungrateful son, loitering about public squares rather than dutifully training to become a scribe: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/001112875700300210 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/001112875700300...
- tmtvl 4y ago
  In the stone age my friends often complained about their kids spending time painting their hands on cave walls rather than learning how to properly knap a flint knife.
- smcl 4y ago
  This is why I’m really insistent on pushing back on “kids these days…” complaints. Every single generation has had grumpy people who whine about how the young’uns are unruly, lazy, have it easy, etc. I’m starting to people in my age group (mid 30s) saying it, which is a little bit sad since it was not long ago that we were on the receiving end of a lot of “psssh, typical millennials…” nonsense :-/
  - Extasia785 4y ago
    This is an interesting topic though, because this generation is the first generation of kids who grew up with social media, so it's not unfathomable that "kids these days" are different, for better or worse. Kids these days might be normal, but with them being the first generation to truly grow up in the internet and social media era, there is a legitimate argument that they are not.
    - smcl 4y ago
      You're not wrong that there will be some kind of difference in how they grow up, but I think each generation has grown up exposed to new technologies from birth that the previous one wasn't. My thought is that it would be really unusual if, after decades and decades of "kids these days..." that this is the time it is finally right that the current generation are in some way worse or more badly behaved or whatever negative connotation people may be using at any given point. There's a lot of "I think..." in this so obviously this is totally based on speculation and from what I've seen in my encounters with Gen Z, where they generally seem pretty good and certainly no worse behaved than my fellow millenials :)
    - devonkim 4y ago
      I’m much more upset at the cruelty and hypocrisy kids display (and of course by extension the adults that grow no wiser) in that when I was on the Internet as a kid you were a loser and loner. And now if you’re _not_ on the Internet enough you’re a loser and loner. Have to admit that the movie Black Phone was much better than I thought because the children were portrayed very realistically in their dynamics and yet still we were reminded of their vulnerability in society as those without many rights or privileges that adults have. Furthermore, the child abuse… I don’t even flinch at some of the most brutal violence in media anymore because it seems so comical typically but I felt sick during that part. Horror to me is reality oftentimes I guess and much of why I watch horror is to desensitize myself a bit about the horrors of our world.
  - minxomat 4y ago
    Everything old is new again … https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/juvenoia https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/juvenoia
science4sail 4y ago
It was the orator Cicero! > Cicero hoped that his son Marcus would become a philosopher like him, but Marcus himself wished for a military career. He joined the army of Pompey in 49 BC and after Pompey's defeat at Pharsalus 48 BC, he was pardoned by Caesar. Cicero sent him to Athens to study as a disciple of the peripatetic philosopher Kratippos in 48 BC, but he used this absence from "his father's vigilant eye" to "eat, drink and be merry." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicero#Family https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicero#Family