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With communism you work to build socialism, a better society. Under capitalism you work so your CEO can get another 20 million dollars bonus.

astrange 4y ago
A better society exists in capitalism and is called "consumer surplus".
cylinder714 4y ago
"Under capitalism, the rich become powerful. Under socialism, the powerful become rich."
- actionfromafar 4y ago
  (Side-note: socialism is one of these overloaded terms. In the US for instance, socialism and communism seem to be synonyms.)
  - flohofwoe 4y ago
    ...but it also doesn't help to treat socialism and social-market-economy as synonyms. E.g. most Northern/Western European countries are not actually 'socialist', even though they are much more social than the "real socialist" countries of the Eastern Bloc. (and yes, the term "Real Socialism" was actually a thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_socialism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_socialism
- my_city 4y ago
  Insightful commentary you have there comrade. The entire works of Karl Marx and Vladimir Lenin refuted by a sharp irony! The increase in the standards of living for millions of empoverished and exploited russians, chinese and cubans refuted by cylinder714 :-). I bet you also quote "Animal Farm" to refute the ‘The Single Greatest Educational Effort in Human History’ (https://www.languagemagazine.com/the-single-greatest-educational-effort-in-human-history/ https://www.languagemagazine.com/the-single-greatest-educati...) under communist China.
  - upsidesinclude 4y ago
    >increase in the standards of living for millions of empoverished and exploited russians, chinese and cubans And to think, it only cost the lives of tens of millions of 'Russians'! And that "educational effort" to steer children to denounce their own families and parents, commiting them to execution. That only cost tens of millions of Chinese lives too. So despite your sarcasm, you seem to have provided exactly that information many already know: the achievements of communism are more important to communists than lives, but they are happy to use others lives both to justify their own actions and measure the success of communism! Bewildering
    - my_city 4y ago
      Tens of millions of russians! Tens of millions of people die every year by capitalist exploitation. See, I can also give made up numbers. In all seriousness, you can't make up numbers out of your ass. Do you know the lives of how many people costed to live under capitalism? How many died so we can have this computer, these clothes? The lives of how many exploited africans, asians and latinos it costed to make these things (computers, cellphones, clothes, but also grains, vegetables, food, oil, minerals)? How many millions die year by year because we live in a capitalist system, that values profit over lives? The first world war was an imperialist war, where millions died because of a power struggle over African colonies. Thousands of workers were (and continue to be) killed protesting their working conditions. Millions of communists and suspected communists were killed in Indonesia and South America to defend capitalism. The achievements of capitalism are more important to capitalists than lives, but they are happy to use others lives both to justify their own actions and measure the success of capitalism! Bewildering.
      - airgapstopgap 4y ago
        > How many died so we can have this computer, these clothes? The lives of how many exploited africans, asians and latinos it costed to make these things (computers, cellphones, clothes, but also grains, vegetables, food, oil, minerals)? Not very many. Regarding Africa in particular, it's not actually a major mineral producer, it barely contributes anything [1]. Marxists insist that the global economy somehow depends on African children ineffectively toiling in cobalt mines, because they need to maintain their zero-sum moralistic vision of economic relations where African poverty explains the riches of the First World and vice versa. In reality, had Africans been richer, they'd have been able to develop their resources in a proper industrial fashion and invest into covering their own needs, to the common benefit of them and everyone else. The current state of Africa is undesirable for everyone. It's just that not every tragedy is a product of a conspiracy and exploitation by capitalists. 1. https://kenopalo.substack.com/p/natural-resources-and-economic-underdevelopment https://kenopalo.substack.com/p/natural-resources-and-econom...
flohofwoe 4y ago
Let me guess... you never experienced socialism first hand? (and I mean the "real socialism" as it existed in Eastern Bloc countries - not the rose-tinted hypothetical version that exists only in the heads of Western lefties).
raspberry1337 4y ago
You can go to North Korea and help them build any time mate!

astrange 4y ago

A better society exists in capitalism and is called "consumer surplus".

cylinder714 4y ago

"Under capitalism, the rich become powerful. Under socialism, the powerful become rich."

actionfromafar 4y ago
(Side-note: socialism is one of these overloaded terms. In the US for instance, socialism and communism seem to be synonyms.)
- flohofwoe 4y ago
  ...but it also doesn't help to treat socialism and social-market-economy as synonyms. E.g. most Northern/Western European countries are not actually 'socialist', even though they are much more social than the "real socialist" countries of the Eastern Bloc. (and yes, the term "Real Socialism" was actually a thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_socialism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_socialism
my_city 4y ago
Insightful commentary you have there comrade. The entire works of Karl Marx and Vladimir Lenin refuted by a sharp irony! The increase in the standards of living for millions of empoverished and exploited russians, chinese and cubans refuted by cylinder714 :-). I bet you also quote "Animal Farm" to refute the ‘The Single Greatest Educational Effort in Human History’ (https://www.languagemagazine.com/the-single-greatest-educational-effort-in-human-history/ https://www.languagemagazine.com/the-single-greatest-educati...) under communist China.
- upsidesinclude 4y ago
  >increase in the standards of living for millions of empoverished and exploited russians, chinese and cubans And to think, it only cost the lives of tens of millions of 'Russians'! And that "educational effort" to steer children to denounce their own families and parents, commiting them to execution. That only cost tens of millions of Chinese lives too. So despite your sarcasm, you seem to have provided exactly that information many already know: the achievements of communism are more important to communists than lives, but they are happy to use others lives both to justify their own actions and measure the success of communism! Bewildering
  - my_city 4y ago
    Tens of millions of russians! Tens of millions of people die every year by capitalist exploitation. See, I can also give made up numbers. In all seriousness, you can't make up numbers out of your ass. Do you know the lives of how many people costed to live under capitalism? How many died so we can have this computer, these clothes? The lives of how many exploited africans, asians and latinos it costed to make these things (computers, cellphones, clothes, but also grains, vegetables, food, oil, minerals)? How many millions die year by year because we live in a capitalist system, that values profit over lives? The first world war was an imperialist war, where millions died because of a power struggle over African colonies. Thousands of workers were (and continue to be) killed protesting their working conditions. Millions of communists and suspected communists were killed in Indonesia and South America to defend capitalism. The achievements of capitalism are more important to capitalists than lives, but they are happy to use others lives both to justify their own actions and measure the success of capitalism! Bewildering.
    - airgapstopgap 4y ago
      > How many died so we can have this computer, these clothes? The lives of how many exploited africans, asians and latinos it costed to make these things (computers, cellphones, clothes, but also grains, vegetables, food, oil, minerals)? Not very many. Regarding Africa in particular, it's not actually a major mineral producer, it barely contributes anything [1]. Marxists insist that the global economy somehow depends on African children ineffectively toiling in cobalt mines, because they need to maintain their zero-sum moralistic vision of economic relations where African poverty explains the riches of the First World and vice versa. In reality, had Africans been richer, they'd have been able to develop their resources in a proper industrial fashion and invest into covering their own needs, to the common benefit of them and everyone else. The current state of Africa is undesirable for everyone. It's just that not every tragedy is a product of a conspiracy and exploitation by capitalists. 1. https://kenopalo.substack.com/p/natural-resources-and-economic-underdevelopment https://kenopalo.substack.com/p/natural-resources-and-econom...

flohofwoe 4y ago

Let me guess... you never experienced socialism first hand? (and I mean the "real socialism" as it existed in Eastern Bloc countries - not the rose-tinted hypothetical version that exists only in the heads of Western lefties).

raspberry1337 4y ago

You can go to North Korea and help them build any time mate!