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Because with Soviet Communism you don't have to worry about anything other than doing your work and the gulag. If you're not in the gulag and are in an inherent

Because with Soviet Communism you don't have to worry about anything other than doing your work and the gulag. If you're not in the gulag and are in an inherently rewarding field you can really get stuff done. Capitalism prevails but the overhead for everyone is orders of magnitude more than under communism for the chosen.

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my_city 4y ago
With communism you work to build socialism, a better society. Under capitalism you work so your CEO can get another 20 million dollars bonus.
- astrange 4y ago
  A better society exists in capitalism and is called "consumer surplus".
- cylinder714 4y ago
  "Under capitalism, the rich become powerful. Under socialism, the powerful become rich."
  - actionfromafar 4y ago
    (Side-note: socialism is one of these overloaded terms. In the US for instance, socialism and communism seem to be synonyms.)
    - flohofwoe 4y ago
      ...but it also doesn't help to treat socialism and social-market-economy as synonyms. E.g. most Northern/Western European countries are not actually 'socialist', even though they are much more social than the "real socialist" countries of the Eastern Bloc. (and yes, the term "Real Socialism" was actually a thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_socialism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_socialism
  - my_city 4y ago
    Insightful commentary you have there comrade. The entire works of Karl Marx and Vladimir Lenin refuted by a sharp irony! The increase in the standards of living for millions of empoverished and exploited russians, chinese and cubans refuted by cylinder714 :-). I bet you also quote "Animal Farm" to refute the ‘The Single Greatest Educational Effort in Human History’ (https://www.languagemagazine.com/the-single-greatest-educational-effort-in-human-history/ https://www.languagemagazine.com/the-single-greatest-educati...) under communist China.
    - upsidesinclude 4y ago
      >increase in the standards of living for millions of empoverished and exploited russians, chinese and cubans And to think, it only cost the lives of tens of millions of 'Russians'! And that "educational effort" to steer children to denounce their own families and parents, commiting them to execution. That only cost tens of millions of Chinese lives too. So despite your sarcasm, you seem to have provided exactly that information many already know: the achievements of communism are more important to communists than lives, but they are happy to use others lives both to justify their own actions and measure the success of communism! Bewildering
      - my_city 4y ago
        Tens of millions of russians! Tens of millions of people die every year by capitalist exploitation. See, I can also give made up numbers. In all seriousness, you can't make up numbers out of your ass. Do you know the lives of how many people costed to live under capitalism? How many died so we can have this computer, these clothes? The lives of how many exploited africans, asians and latinos it costed to make these things (computers, cellphones, clothes, but also grains, vegetables, food, oil, minerals)? How many millions die year by year because we live in a capitalist system, that values profit over lives? The first world war was an imperialist war, where millions died because of a power struggle over African colonies. Thousands of workers were (and continue to be) killed protesting their working conditions. Millions of communists and suspected communists were killed in Indonesia and South America to defend capitalism. The achievements of capitalism are more important to capitalists than lives, but they are happy to use others lives both to justify their own actions and measure the success of capitalism! Bewildering.
- flohofwoe 4y ago
  Let me guess... you never experienced socialism first hand? (and I mean the "real socialism" as it existed in Eastern Bloc countries - not the rose-tinted hypothetical version that exists only in the heads of Western lefties).
- raspberry1337 4y ago
  You can go to North Korea and help them build any time mate!
TeMPOraL 4y ago
Maybe it looked different from the perspective of people living then and there, but I feel like I couldn't feel any reward from working in an inherently rewarding feel, because I would constantly be worried about being randomly awarded a winning ticket for a one-way trip to Siberia. I mean, some of the stuff I read about the famous Soviet names in aeronautics, space exploration or cybernetics, makes it feel like back then, NKVD was the HR department, PIPs involved a time in a gulag, and getting fired had a quite literal meaning to it. Look the wrong way at your manager or a co-worker, and the next day you have a 1:1... in a prison cell. > Capitalism prevails but the overhead for everyone is orders of magnitude more than under communism for the chosen. Curiously, I do have an impression that, on the capitalist side of the world, the highest productivity and the greatest achievements both are to be found in those little bubbles that isolate people and their work from the capitalist concerns. Smart people, survivable budget, a specific direction, and zero questions about how the work will contribute to the profits next quarter. Then there's that old adage that corporations tend to be capitalist on the outside and communist on the inside. Makes me think that we're naturally drifting to a mixed model here.
- JasonFruit 4y ago
  > communist on the inside The difference between "Communist on the outside" and "communist on the inside" is that the former is backed by a compulsive government with a monopoly on the use of force, and the latter is a voluntary choice by all parties.
jojobas 4y ago
Bullshit. You had to worry about acquiring even food beyond bread and potatoes. A tiny minority employed in strategic area were afforded a middle class life at best.
- hattmall 4y ago
  Ok, and the people we are talking about were in that minority. Under capitalism the minority of people that don't have to worry about that overhead is even smaller and isn't typically based on merit but on inherited wealth.

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my_city 4y ago

With communism you work to build socialism, a better society. Under capitalism you work so your CEO can get another 20 million dollars bonus.

astrange 4y ago
A better society exists in capitalism and is called "consumer surplus".
cylinder714 4y ago
"Under capitalism, the rich become powerful. Under socialism, the powerful become rich."
- actionfromafar 4y ago
  (Side-note: socialism is one of these overloaded terms. In the US for instance, socialism and communism seem to be synonyms.)
  - flohofwoe 4y ago
    ...but it also doesn't help to treat socialism and social-market-economy as synonyms. E.g. most Northern/Western European countries are not actually 'socialist', even though they are much more social than the "real socialist" countries of the Eastern Bloc. (and yes, the term "Real Socialism" was actually a thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_socialism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_socialism
- my_city 4y ago
  Insightful commentary you have there comrade. The entire works of Karl Marx and Vladimir Lenin refuted by a sharp irony! The increase in the standards of living for millions of empoverished and exploited russians, chinese and cubans refuted by cylinder714 :-). I bet you also quote "Animal Farm" to refute the ‘The Single Greatest Educational Effort in Human History’ (https://www.languagemagazine.com/the-single-greatest-educational-effort-in-human-history/ https://www.languagemagazine.com/the-single-greatest-educati...) under communist China.
  - upsidesinclude 4y ago
    >increase in the standards of living for millions of empoverished and exploited russians, chinese and cubans And to think, it only cost the lives of tens of millions of 'Russians'! And that "educational effort" to steer children to denounce their own families and parents, commiting them to execution. That only cost tens of millions of Chinese lives too. So despite your sarcasm, you seem to have provided exactly that information many already know: the achievements of communism are more important to communists than lives, but they are happy to use others lives both to justify their own actions and measure the success of communism! Bewildering
    - my_city 4y ago
      Tens of millions of russians! Tens of millions of people die every year by capitalist exploitation. See, I can also give made up numbers. In all seriousness, you can't make up numbers out of your ass. Do you know the lives of how many people costed to live under capitalism? How many died so we can have this computer, these clothes? The lives of how many exploited africans, asians and latinos it costed to make these things (computers, cellphones, clothes, but also grains, vegetables, food, oil, minerals)? How many millions die year by year because we live in a capitalist system, that values profit over lives? The first world war was an imperialist war, where millions died because of a power struggle over African colonies. Thousands of workers were (and continue to be) killed protesting their working conditions. Millions of communists and suspected communists were killed in Indonesia and South America to defend capitalism. The achievements of capitalism are more important to capitalists than lives, but they are happy to use others lives both to justify their own actions and measure the success of capitalism! Bewildering.
flohofwoe 4y ago
Let me guess... you never experienced socialism first hand? (and I mean the "real socialism" as it existed in Eastern Bloc countries - not the rose-tinted hypothetical version that exists only in the heads of Western lefties).
raspberry1337 4y ago
You can go to North Korea and help them build any time mate!

TeMPOraL 4y ago

Maybe it looked different from the perspective of people living then and there, but I feel like I couldn't feel any reward from working in an inherently rewarding feel, because I would constantly be worried about being randomly awarded a winning ticket for a one-way trip to Siberia. I mean, some of the stuff I read about the famous Soviet names in aeronautics, space exploration or cybernetics, makes it feel like back then, NKVD was the HR department, PIPs involved a time in a gulag, and getting fired had a quite literal meaning to it. Look the wrong way at your manager or a co-worker, and the next day you have a 1:1... in a prison cell. > Capitalism prevails but the overhead for everyone is orders of magnitude more than under communism for the chosen. Curiously, I do have an impression that, on the capitalist side of the world, the highest productivity and the greatest achievements both are to be found in those little bubbles that isolate people and their work from the capitalist concerns. Smart people, survivable budget, a specific direction, and zero questions about how the work will contribute to the profits next quarter. Then there's that old adage that corporations tend to be capitalist on the outside and communist on the inside. Makes me think that we're naturally drifting to a mixed model here.

JasonFruit 4y ago
> communist on the inside The difference between "Communist on the outside" and "communist on the inside" is that the former is backed by a compulsive government with a monopoly on the use of force, and the latter is a voluntary choice by all parties.

jojobas 4y ago

Bullshit. You had to worry about acquiring even food beyond bread and potatoes. A tiny minority employed in strategic area were afforded a middle class life at best.

hattmall 4y ago
Ok, and the people we are talking about were in that minority. Under capitalism the minority of people that don't have to worry about that overhead is even smaller and isn't typically based on merit but on inherited wealth.