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Part of working on something is thinking it through. Part of working on something… as eminently social as interoperable systems with thousands of disparate comp

Part of working on something is thinking it through. Part of working on something… as eminently social as interoperable systems with thousands of disparate components and many more thousands of contributors to some parts of that milieu… is socializing the thought process you’re taking to approach whatever part(s) of the Problems you’re trying to address. Discussing these things earnestly and with considered and well reasoned inspection of what is, and why it is, and what could be… all of that is doing something. Maybe quite a lot in fact. Certainly it’s doing more than efforts like this, to quash or interrupt that public sharing of thought process. “Doing” is an incredibly broad category of action. But it very seldom includes categorically dismissing ideas on the basis they haven’t already produced some other more concrete deliverable.

nineteen999 4y ago
Don't disagree. I'm not dismissing the sentiment in general. But these kinds of articles have been posted here hundreds of times over the years, these thoughts are not new, and the fact that they fail to gain enough effective traction in the real world and are just posted here for brownie points is where it starts getting grating. For everyone one person who posts one of these, there are 100 people cheering them on, and 10000 developers in the real world who just learnt to deal with POSIX and its warts years ago, just want a paycheck, and will wait until a better API gains traction in the real world before they go asking their employer to bet the farm on it.
- eyelidlessness 4y ago
  The thing I’m objecting to is framing the discussion as brownie points. For something or some things this complex, you either can’t or more likely should not proceed without a lot of talk. Here is a great place for productive conversation to start to form consensus. It can’t do that if planning and philosophizing and design and critique of ideas is precluded.

nineteen999 4y ago

Don't disagree. I'm not dismissing the sentiment in general. But these kinds of articles have been posted here hundreds of times over the years, these thoughts are not new, and the fact that they fail to gain enough effective traction in the real world and are just posted here for brownie points is where it starts getting grating. For everyone one person who posts one of these, there are 100 people cheering them on, and 10000 developers in the real world who just learnt to deal with POSIX and its warts years ago, just want a paycheck, and will wait until a better API gains traction in the real world before they go asking their employer to bet the farm on it.

eyelidlessness 4y ago
The thing I’m objecting to is framing the discussion as brownie points. For something or some things this complex, you either can’t or more likely should not proceed without a lot of talk. Here is a great place for productive conversation to start to form consensus. It can’t do that if planning and philosophizing and design and critique of ideas is precluded.