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In New York, as in many places, crime is still at a pretty historic low. Depending on your sources and your categories, down as much as 50-75% since peaks in th

In New York, as in many places, crime is still at a pretty historic low. Depending on your sources and your categories, down as much as 50-75% since peaks in the 80s and 90s. It's definitely not that we currently live in a country with rampant criminality. Adding onto that, Google says the NYPD budget is over 5 billion dollars a year. If there really are less than 1000 people responsible for so much violent crime, this seems like institutional ineptitude on a pretty staggering scale.

throwayyy479087 4y ago
It's up ~40% in the last 3 years. > If there really are less than 1000 people responsible for so much violent crime, this seems like institutional ineptitude on a pretty staggering scale. They arrest them, but the state lets them out. A lot of state reps are openly against any form of prison/jail for criminals - this is what those policies produce.
- Per_Bothner 4y ago
  _"They arrest them, but the state lets them out. A lot of state reps are openly against any form of prison/jail for criminals - this is what those policies produce."_ I call bullshit. You've been watching too much right-wing propaganda. Name some of these reps.
  - torstenvl 4y ago
    I don't know about state representatives, but Alvin Bragg, the Manhattan DA, is explicitly against zealous prosecution of violent crimes (e.g., armed burglary) that don't result in actual physical harm. He was later forced to backpedal on that position. https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/manhattan-da-alvin-bragg-low-level-offenses/ https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/manhattan-da-alvin-brag... https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-manhattan-da-alvin-bragg-clarifies-confusing-day-one-memo-20220120-gj2ifc7f55cbfnrsuebdgoice4-story.html https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-manhattan-da-alvin-b... As a prosecutor, he also engaged in racially-motivated prosecution of a clear case of self-defense until public pressure forced him to back off. https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/new-video-shows-girlfriend-stab-nyc-bodega-worker-after-confrontation-turned-deadly/3769959/ https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/new-video-shows-girlfr... NYC officials are pro-criminal, anti-everyday person.
- chrsjxn 4y ago
  Wikipedia has a telling graph of the murder rates: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_New_York_City#Murders_by_year https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_New_York_City#Murders.... 40% up from pandemic lows sounds concerning, but we're still down near the bottom of a 30 year decline. And from: https://www.criminaljustice.ny.gov/crimnet/ojsa/stats.htm https://www.criminaljustice.ny.gov/crimnet/ojsa/stats.htm, NYC had anywhere from 120,000 to nearly 300,000 arrests each year from 2012 to 2021. 10 people abusing bail reform? 716 shooters? These numbers are many orders of magnitude lower than the number of people affected by crime and the criminal justice system in New York every year.

throwayyy479087 4y ago

It's up ~40% in the last 3 years. > If there really are less than 1000 people responsible for so much violent crime, this seems like institutional ineptitude on a pretty staggering scale. They arrest them, but the state lets them out. A lot of state reps are openly against any form of prison/jail for criminals - this is what those policies produce.

Per_Bothner 4y ago
_"They arrest them, but the state lets them out. A lot of state reps are openly against any form of prison/jail for criminals - this is what those policies produce."_ I call bullshit. You've been watching too much right-wing propaganda. Name some of these reps.
- torstenvl 4y ago
  I don't know about state representatives, but Alvin Bragg, the Manhattan DA, is explicitly against zealous prosecution of violent crimes (e.g., armed burglary) that don't result in actual physical harm. He was later forced to backpedal on that position. https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/manhattan-da-alvin-bragg-low-level-offenses/ https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/manhattan-da-alvin-brag... https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-manhattan-da-alvin-bragg-clarifies-confusing-day-one-memo-20220120-gj2ifc7f55cbfnrsuebdgoice4-story.html https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-manhattan-da-alvin-b... As a prosecutor, he also engaged in racially-motivated prosecution of a clear case of self-defense until public pressure forced him to back off. https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/new-video-shows-girlfriend-stab-nyc-bodega-worker-after-confrontation-turned-deadly/3769959/ https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/new-video-shows-girlfr... NYC officials are pro-criminal, anti-everyday person.
chrsjxn 4y ago
Wikipedia has a telling graph of the murder rates: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_New_York_City#Murders_by_year https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_New_York_City#Murders.... 40% up from pandemic lows sounds concerning, but we're still down near the bottom of a 30 year decline. And from: https://www.criminaljustice.ny.gov/crimnet/ojsa/stats.htm https://www.criminaljustice.ny.gov/crimnet/ojsa/stats.htm, NYC had anywhere from 120,000 to nearly 300,000 arrests each year from 2012 to 2021. 10 people abusing bail reform? 716 shooters? These numbers are many orders of magnitude lower than the number of people affected by crime and the criminal justice system in New York every year.