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Just because some people kill their children, that does not make killing children morally acceptable. (I have no objection to birth control that prevents concep
by Georgelemental 4y ago
Just because some people kill their children, that does not make killing children morally acceptable. (I have no objection to birth control that prevents conception.)
- lovich 4y agoDoesn’t really change the fact that the conservatives to bearing children is separate from consenting to sex, I should have been more clear that I was highlighting the existence of tools that would only exist if the two events could be separate
- Georgelemental 4y agoNo method of birth control is 100% effective, so the two events cannot be fully separated.
- lovich 4y agoThey literally can in that you can consent to sex and not consent to carrying a child. You are making a moral judgement on what they _should_ do, but the two events are separate. If they were not, then there wouldn’t need to be any legislating or moralizing about carrying the child to term
- Georgelemental 4y agoConsent is a moral concept, not a merely empirical one. It is subject to moral judgements and ethical debates.
- lovich 4y agoI agree that it is subject to moral judgements but that doesn’t make two distinct events explicitly coupled. You’re even conceding the point by needing to describe the two events with different terms. I am being pedantic here but you are factually incorrect in saying that consenting to one is consenting to the other as a factual statement when the two events can be separated.
- Georgelemental 4y agoIf you go to the restaurant, and you order a meal, and the waiter brings you your meal—then implicitly, you have consented to paying for your order. The events "you order food", "waiter brings food", and "you pay for food" are physically separate, but in terms of consent they are not separate.
- lovich 4y agoNah, even then consenting to paying for the food is a separate event. The law just creates consequences for not consenting to paying for the food.
- Georgelemental 4y agoI suppose we are just using different definitions of the word "consent", then.