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They definitely are. Drugs are not teleported to American consumers when they reach the border, there has to be an equally corrupt distribution structure in the

They definitely are. Drugs are not teleported to American consumers when they reach the border, there has to be an equally corrupt distribution structure in the American side, and that only works involving corrupt officers. A lot of money attracts a lot of scum, as we say in Mexico, "con dinero baila el perro". There have been instances of law enforcement trafficking arms to the cartels, because "we're going to track the arms and arrest them": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal

threeseed 4y ago
> There have been instances of law enforcement trafficking arms to the cartels They didn't traffic arms. They "purposely allowed licensed firearms dealers to sell weapons to illegal straw buyers, hoping to track the guns to Mexican drug cartel leaders and arrest them". Strategy that is a corner stone of law enforcement so it's surprising the outrage at it being applied in this situation.
- notch898a 4y ago
  Were they planning on grabbing the guns back before or after they were used to execute Brian Terry? Seems like the criticism of this operation may be justified.
  - mannerheim 4y ago
    If anything, Terry's death was probably helpful to their goal of expanding gun control. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/documents-atf-used-fast-and-furious-to-make-the-case-for-gun-regulations/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/documents-atf-used-fast-and-fur...
- yubiox 4y ago
  Allowed? No. Forced.
- ASalazarMX 4y ago
  It's a dumb strategy considering they won't be able to track those arms when they cross to Mexico, those weapons won't make their way back to USA, Mexico smuggles drugs, USA smuggles military weapons. Those grenades, machine guns, 50 cal rifles, etc. are going to stay in Mexico, and will be used to kill Mexicans for years.
mannerheim 4y ago
That was the stated objective, but ATF emails showed another motive, which was to use cases created by gunwalking in order to justify new gun control regulation. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/documents-atf-used-fast-and-furious-to-make-the-case-for-gun-regulations/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/documents-atf-used-fast-and-fur...
- rdtsc 4y ago
  So they encouraged the sale of 2000 dangerous weapons (https://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/atf_investigation_01_111207.pdf https://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/atf_investigation_01_1112...), which were then used in hundreds of crime scenes, didn’t make any major arrests, then turned around and said “Look how terrible these weapons are. Someone needs to restrict their use”. That’s pretty damning…
  - ASalazarMX 4y ago
    I guess the cartels are really just good Samaritans trying to encourage USA to legislate better drug laws. It's not a crime if your intentions are good!

threeseed 4y ago

> There have been instances of law enforcement trafficking arms to the cartels They didn't traffic arms. They "purposely allowed licensed firearms dealers to sell weapons to illegal straw buyers, hoping to track the guns to Mexican drug cartel leaders and arrest them". Strategy that is a corner stone of law enforcement so it's surprising the outrage at it being applied in this situation.

notch898a 4y ago
Were they planning on grabbing the guns back before or after they were used to execute Brian Terry? Seems like the criticism of this operation may be justified.
- mannerheim 4y ago
  If anything, Terry's death was probably helpful to their goal of expanding gun control. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/documents-atf-used-fast-and-furious-to-make-the-case-for-gun-regulations/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/documents-atf-used-fast-and-fur...
yubiox 4y ago
Allowed? No. Forced.
ASalazarMX 4y ago
It's a dumb strategy considering they won't be able to track those arms when they cross to Mexico, those weapons won't make their way back to USA, Mexico smuggles drugs, USA smuggles military weapons. Those grenades, machine guns, 50 cal rifles, etc. are going to stay in Mexico, and will be used to kill Mexicans for years.

mannerheim 4y ago

That was the stated objective, but ATF emails showed another motive, which was to use cases created by gunwalking in order to justify new gun control regulation. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/documents-atf-used-fast-and-furious-to-make-the-case-for-gun-regulations/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/documents-atf-used-fast-and-fur...

rdtsc 4y ago
So they encouraged the sale of 2000 dangerous weapons (https://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/atf_investigation_01_111207.pdf https://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/atf_investigation_01_1112...), which were then used in hundreds of crime scenes, didn’t make any major arrests, then turned around and said “Look how terrible these weapons are. Someone needs to restrict their use”. That’s pretty damning…
- ASalazarMX 4y ago
  I guess the cartels are really just good Samaritans trying to encourage USA to legislate better drug laws. It's not a crime if your intentions are good!