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Dichotomizing it is clearly not intellectually honest. To imply that there is ideological motivation for either 'faction' that you so subtly mention is a red he

Dichotomizing it is clearly not intellectually honest. To imply that there is ideological motivation for either 'faction' that you so subtly mention is a red herring. Edit: a red herring that people apparently find to be delicious. How the hell do you even downvote on this site?

klyrs 4y ago
You're right, that was a little glib. "Defund the police" is almost never a move towards small government; the proposal typically goes hand in hand with massive investment in social services that would be geared at reducing criminality. I make no apologies for pointing at the Thin Blue Line movement and its supporters and calling that bald-faced authoritarianism. edit: since you're new here, you might not know that complaining about downvotes is frowned upon. If you earn enough karma, you'll gain the ability to express your own disagreement through downvotes. One generally avoids collecting downvotes by making arguments in good faith.
- corbulo 4y ago
  It goes both ways. Better training would go very far as would more money and better oversight in social services. The current state of social services are an even bigger dumpster fire than policing; it's just less photogenic and more for bureaucratic reasons. Given history and current culture the former is more realistically attainable than the latter IMO.
  - klyrs 4y ago
    Interesting that you think that social services need oversight but police need training.
    - weard_beard 4y ago
      Give social workers guns and police a notepad for a week and you could create a utopia
    - corbulo 4y ago
      It doesn't matter how good police oversight is if the training sucks. No department is gonna fire all their officers. See: Tyre Nichols officers, that police department lowered hiring standards to make even prior felonies wavierable a year or two prior to that incident (because no one wants to be a cop due to the bad pr). Social services have gigantic waste, bureaucratic rule problems and for many social services jobs the real training is outside of the governments purview (degrees). So the issues with personnel quality aren't as easily correctible by better training like for police (though it still plays a part).

klyrs 4y ago

You're right, that was a little glib. "Defund the police" is almost never a move towards small government; the proposal typically goes hand in hand with massive investment in social services that would be geared at reducing criminality. I make no apologies for pointing at the Thin Blue Line movement and its supporters and calling that bald-faced authoritarianism. edit: since you're new here, you might not know that complaining about downvotes is frowned upon. If you earn enough karma, you'll gain the ability to express your own disagreement through downvotes. One generally avoids collecting downvotes by making arguments in good faith.

corbulo 4y ago
It goes both ways. Better training would go very far as would more money and better oversight in social services. The current state of social services are an even bigger dumpster fire than policing; it's just less photogenic and more for bureaucratic reasons. Given history and current culture the former is more realistically attainable than the latter IMO.
- klyrs 4y ago
  Interesting that you think that social services need oversight but police need training.
  - weard_beard 4y ago
    Give social workers guns and police a notepad for a week and you could create a utopia
  - corbulo 4y ago
    It doesn't matter how good police oversight is if the training sucks. No department is gonna fire all their officers. See: Tyre Nichols officers, that police department lowered hiring standards to make even prior felonies wavierable a year or two prior to that incident (because no one wants to be a cop due to the bad pr). Social services have gigantic waste, bureaucratic rule problems and for many social services jobs the real training is outside of the governments purview (degrees). So the issues with personnel quality aren't as easily correctible by better training like for police (though it still plays a part).