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The Amish kinda slap, they didn't invent addictive social media, put a game show host in charge of nuclear weapons, or have a bunch of corporations change their

The Amish kinda slap, they didn't invent addictive social media, put a game show host in charge of nuclear weapons, or have a bunch of corporations change their icons to rainbow icons while still being shitty. They literally realized 300 years ago that they should opt out of the nonsense America descended into

bavila 4y ago
> The Amish kinda slap For anyone else who was confused by this: https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/slap/ https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/slap/
- TheGeminon 4y ago
  Slap means really good in this context, e.g. "this song really slaps". This makes me want to make a generational/chronological slang chart now
  - bavila 4y ago
    Thanks, just edited my post to link to the definition. Guess I'd fall under the generation that would have said "rock" instead (although the Amish most definitely do not rock).
Loughla 4y ago
I know that's meant to be funny, but the Amish community is a nightmare, from the outside looking in, very closely. I live in an area where there is a large Amish community; they outnumber "English" about 4:1. Patriarchy in all decisions. The old men make choices for families based on what they know is best, and you follow that rule, regardless of your own views. Women are not allowed a voice in formal decisions. Children are a tradable commodity. If you upset an elder, your life is over. You're raised speaking German first, so that you can "learn your heritage" (read: always feel the divide between yourself and the rest of the country). You get up to an 8th grade education and nothing more. Only if it doesn't interfere with your chores. If you are sent off to college for whatever reason (my neighbor was a college educated Amish; he was the legal representative for the community) they treat you like an outsider. You are not allowed a voice in community votes, if they have them. You get the scraps. If you start a business, and someone else wants to start the same thing, you give it over to them, no questions asked. God forbid you disagree with the elders. Imagine being in your 30's, with just an 8th grade education, and your entire community, family, and support system turns their back on you and yours. You're screwed. If the bishop believes another community could use your skills, or doesn't like your family, you have to move, possibly hundreds of miles. That's after selling everything you own, usually at a loss. But that doesn't matter, because the community itself and the church actually own everything, you are just renting your own business and/or home from the church. Absolute rule by the male elders. Lies and buried secrets. That's the way of the Amish. But they get a pass, because their beards and hats look funny.
- prepend 4y ago
  How’s their teenage girl depression stats?
  - fknorangesite 4y ago
    Given the rates of child sexual assault, probably not great.
- giantg2 4y ago
  Some of this varies by the exact community and sect. But there are some good lessons in there too. Health-wise they are great, with some of the lowest costs, low chronic disease, and getting about double the recommended 10k steps per day. So we don't want to emulate them in every way, but we can take some lessons in certain areas. If you truly want resilient kids, that lifestyle will do it. Safety is another thing though. I saw a 1 year old just fall 3 feet off a playset and it only cried a little. The parents weren't very concerned. I guess when you have 6 kids, it's like you have "spares". Not that it's the right way to look at it, but ignoring balance of other concerns they will be tough.
  - olau 4y ago
    > The parents weren't very concerned. I guess when you have 6 kids, it's like you have "spares". As a parent of 4, having multiple children does tend to put things in perspective, but really what makes the biggest difference is probably that you can't physically helicopter all of them. So you have to give up that mindset. Not that you don't still need to keep an eye on them.
  - hutzlibu 4y ago
    "So we don't want to emulate them in every way, but we can take some lessons in certain areas." Living tight as a community is probably what they are doing right, I "just" would use a different approach to power.
- autoexec 4y ago
  > You get up to an 8th grade education and nothing more...Imagine being in your 30's, with just an 8th grade education This at least would be a massive improvement for most people in the US who only read at a 6th grade level and have a comparable level of skill in math and science. https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/08/02/us-literacy-rate/ https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/08/02/us-literacy-rate/ https://people.com/parents/most-parents-math-and-science-knowledge-is-only-at-a-sixth-grade-level/ https://people.com/parents/most-parents-math-and-science-kno...
deafpolygon 4y ago
That's kind of glossing over the nonsense they did opt into.
dymk 4y ago
What’s the term for a weeaboo but for the Amish?
- officeplant 4y ago
  Protestants
heavyset_go 4y ago
Some of them have opted out of nonsense like reporting sexual assault to authorities, as well. From "Child Sexual Abuse in the Amish Community: A Hidden Epidemic": > “I’ve learned that sexual abuse in their communities is an open secret, spanning generations,” she wrote in the 2019 article. “Victims told me stories of inappropriate touching, groping, fondling, exposure to genitals, digital penetration, coerced oral sex, anal sex and rape—all at the hands of their own family members, neighbors and church leaders.” [1] https://www.aetv.com/real-crime/child-sexual-abuse-amish https://www.aetv.com/real-crime/child-sexual-abuse-amish
asah 4y ago
lol, the Amish are not competitive on the world stage and if left to run the country, we'd have actually been invaded a dozen times already - or at the least, we'd be a vassal state. opting out of "the nonsense" is fun to think about, but not when competing countries have robotic factories.

bavila 4y ago

> The Amish kinda slap For anyone else who was confused by this: https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/slap/ https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/slap/

TheGeminon 4y ago
Slap means really good in this context, e.g. "this song really slaps". This makes me want to make a generational/chronological slang chart now
- bavila 4y ago
  Thanks, just edited my post to link to the definition. Guess I'd fall under the generation that would have said "rock" instead (although the Amish most definitely do not rock).

Loughla 4y ago

I know that's meant to be funny, but the Amish community is a nightmare, from the outside looking in, very closely. I live in an area where there is a large Amish community; they outnumber "English" about 4:1. Patriarchy in all decisions. The old men make choices for families based on what they know is best, and you follow that rule, regardless of your own views. Women are not allowed a voice in formal decisions. Children are a tradable commodity. If you upset an elder, your life is over. You're raised speaking German first, so that you can "learn your heritage" (read: always feel the divide between yourself and the rest of the country). You get up to an 8th grade education and nothing more. Only if it doesn't interfere with your chores. If you are sent off to college for whatever reason (my neighbor was a college educated Amish; he was the legal representative for the community) they treat you like an outsider. You are not allowed a voice in community votes, if they have them. You get the scraps. If you start a business, and someone else wants to start the same thing, you give it over to them, no questions asked. God forbid you disagree with the elders. Imagine being in your 30's, with just an 8th grade education, and your entire community, family, and support system turns their back on you and yours. You're screwed. If the bishop believes another community could use your skills, or doesn't like your family, you have to move, possibly hundreds of miles. That's after selling everything you own, usually at a loss. But that doesn't matter, because the community itself and the church actually own everything, you are just renting your own business and/or home from the church. Absolute rule by the male elders. Lies and buried secrets. That's the way of the Amish. But they get a pass, because their beards and hats look funny.

prepend 4y ago
How’s their teenage girl depression stats?
- fknorangesite 4y ago
  Given the rates of child sexual assault, probably not great.
giantg2 4y ago
Some of this varies by the exact community and sect. But there are some good lessons in there too. Health-wise they are great, with some of the lowest costs, low chronic disease, and getting about double the recommended 10k steps per day. So we don't want to emulate them in every way, but we can take some lessons in certain areas. If you truly want resilient kids, that lifestyle will do it. Safety is another thing though. I saw a 1 year old just fall 3 feet off a playset and it only cried a little. The parents weren't very concerned. I guess when you have 6 kids, it's like you have "spares". Not that it's the right way to look at it, but ignoring balance of other concerns they will be tough.
- olau 4y ago
  > The parents weren't very concerned. I guess when you have 6 kids, it's like you have "spares". As a parent of 4, having multiple children does tend to put things in perspective, but really what makes the biggest difference is probably that you can't physically helicopter all of them. So you have to give up that mindset. Not that you don't still need to keep an eye on them.
- hutzlibu 4y ago
  "So we don't want to emulate them in every way, but we can take some lessons in certain areas." Living tight as a community is probably what they are doing right, I "just" would use a different approach to power.
autoexec 4y ago
> You get up to an 8th grade education and nothing more...Imagine being in your 30's, with just an 8th grade education This at least would be a massive improvement for most people in the US who only read at a 6th grade level and have a comparable level of skill in math and science. https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/08/02/us-literacy-rate/ https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/08/02/us-literacy-rate/ https://people.com/parents/most-parents-math-and-science-knowledge-is-only-at-a-sixth-grade-level/ https://people.com/parents/most-parents-math-and-science-kno...

deafpolygon 4y ago

That's kind of glossing over the nonsense they did opt into.

dymk 4y ago

What’s the term for a weeaboo but for the Amish?

officeplant 4y ago
Protestants

heavyset_go 4y ago

Some of them have opted out of nonsense like reporting sexual assault to authorities, as well. From "Child Sexual Abuse in the Amish Community: A Hidden Epidemic": > “I’ve learned that sexual abuse in their communities is an open secret, spanning generations,” she wrote in the 2019 article. “Victims told me stories of inappropriate touching, groping, fondling, exposure to genitals, digital penetration, coerced oral sex, anal sex and rape—all at the hands of their own family members, neighbors and church leaders.” [1] https://www.aetv.com/real-crime/child-sexual-abuse-amish https://www.aetv.com/real-crime/child-sexual-abuse-amish

asah 4y ago

lol, the Amish are not competitive on the world stage and if left to run the country, we'd have actually been invaded a dozen times already - or at the least, we'd be a vassal state. opting out of "the nonsense" is fun to think about, but not when competing countries have robotic factories.