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I can't stress enough what a strange and uncaring attitude this is. Here you have the state forcing somebody to be in prison, and the prison is in terrible cond

by causi 4y ago

I can't stress enough what a strange and uncaring attitude this is. Here you have the state forcing somebody to be in prison, and the prison is in terrible conditions. Why is it not the states fault that she is put into those conditions? Why should she have to sue the prison for this? Florida is forcing her to be in those conditions, specifically both in prison and pregnant. Why is she responsible for ensuring she doesn't suffer conditions where her unborn child might die? This is entirely correct, but it's related to conditions inside the prison, not whether she should be released from it. Of course she should get to see a doctor, and get her prenatal vitamins, etc. I even agree that since the prison is unable or unwilling to give her the proper medical care, she should be moved to a different, even a non-prison, facility to receive that care. But it has fuck-all to do with any sort of "improperly incarcerating a fetus".

Timon3 4y ago
> But it has fuck-all to do with any sort of "improperly incarcerating a fetus". If you're putting the focus on "improperly incarcerating a fetus" instead of "improperly incarcerating a fetus", I can see how it would have fuck-all to do. But since it's a willfully negative reading I don't see why you'd do so. Consider that other countries do what the lawyer is asking for - allowing pregnant people to serve prison sentences from their homes. Why is it so incredibly ridiculous to you to even entertain this thought, even though it would help in this situation (by saving the fetus' live)?
- causi 4y ago
  Why is it so incredibly ridiculous to you to even entertain this thought, even though it would help in this situation (by saving the fetus' live)? It isn't ridiculous to me. Even if it was, it wouldn't matter, because that isn't the topic. The title is "Florida lawyer argues pregnant inmate’s fetus is being illegally detained." My position is that argument is ridiculous, not that the woman in question doesn't deserve competent medical care regardless of what circumstances are necessary to achieve it.

by causi 4y ago

Timon3 4y ago

> But it has fuck-all to do with any sort of "improperly incarcerating a fetus". If you're putting the focus on "improperly incarcerating a fetus" instead of "improperly incarcerating a fetus", I can see how it would have fuck-all to do. But since it's a willfully negative reading I don't see why you'd do so. Consider that other countries do what the lawyer is asking for - allowing pregnant people to serve prison sentences from their homes. Why is it so incredibly ridiculous to you to even entertain this thought, even though it would help in this situation (by saving the fetus' live)?

causi 4y ago
Why is it so incredibly ridiculous to you to even entertain this thought, even though it would help in this situation (by saving the fetus' live)? It isn't ridiculous to me. Even if it was, it wouldn't matter, because that isn't the topic. The title is "Florida lawyer argues pregnant inmate’s fetus is being illegally detained." My position is that argument is ridiculous, not that the woman in question doesn't deserve competent medical care regardless of what circumstances are necessary to achieve it.