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Servers love tip out. They can make hundreds a night and possibly even what a junior SWE can (pro rata) if they’re good. If you want fierce resistance from ser

by mikrl 4y ago

Servers love tip out. They can make hundreds a night and possibly even what a junior SWE can (pro rata) if they’re good. If you want fierce resistance from servers - ask them to split tips more equitably with the kitchen - offer to abolish the tip system altogether and just pay them $15/h flat, hell even $25/h

steve_adams_86 4y ago
That servers love tip outs today doesn't necessarily mean it's an absolutely good model, or that they will be grateful for it in say 20 years when they can no longer succeed in these types of jobs. I'm not claiming it should never be a thing. I just wonder if we should collectively accept it and want it to be part of our economy and how our communities function. I have had many friends who do well as servers (and indeed, one earning more than I did was a junior SWE), but it doesn't seem typical, nor does it seem sustainable. The restaurant industry certainly can't be responsible for fixing any issues with this; it's a symptom of something greater. I just don't think we should accept it as okay. Primarily due to the variability of tipping... I will always need to pay enough to cover the cost of the food and kitchen, so the restaurant is okay. But how can I be certain that the person serving me is taken care of? My individual tip isn't enough, and I know many servers do terribly depending on time and location. I've worked shitty jobs, but I always got paid the same amount by my employer and there were legal frameworks to protect me. Servers don't get the same from us, and I don't think that's alright. We can point to when it works out well for servers, but again, I don't think that's typical.
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red-iron-pine 4y ago
> Servers love tip out. They can make hundreds a night and possibly even what a junior SWE can (pro rata) if they’re good. Bollocks. Maybe at the fanciest, high-end locations, and only on busy days, i.e. Fridays or Saturdays. Maybe a Jr SWE in, like Mississippi, but there is no way even the top 10% of servers are pushing tech hub SWE salaries. And even if the pure-cash gets kind-of close, there is often no healthcare, no 401k, no bennies, no bonus; the TC wouldn't be close at all. Many states only pay $2.18 per hour for tipped jobs; 15/hr would be utterly amazing and 25 would be great. No server I know would ever push back on that, save for the tiny, tiny handful working at high-end locations. Yeah the dude working at the trendy bar in NYC with $33 highballs might be able to pull near six-figures while handling a cocaine habit, but I'd bet my hat that a majority of servers would make more money if they 25/hr.
- savingsPossible 4y ago
  > Many states only pay $2.18 per hour for tipped jobs; WOW In the US salaries are smaller for tipped jobs??? That is the problem right there. I bet everywhere else, like literally every other country, the minimum wage also applies to waiters
mustacheemperor 4y ago
I think the result of this survey would differ considerably at the pub/cafe in Prineville Oregon vs a steakhouse in downtown San Francisco, and across the country there's a lot more Prinevilles than San Franciscos.

by mikrl 4y ago

steve_adams_86 4y ago

That servers love tip outs today doesn't necessarily mean it's an absolutely good model, or that they will be grateful for it in say 20 years when they can no longer succeed in these types of jobs. I'm not claiming it should never be a thing. I just wonder if we should collectively accept it and want it to be part of our economy and how our communities function. I have had many friends who do well as servers (and indeed, one earning more than I did was a junior SWE), but it doesn't seem typical, nor does it seem sustainable. The restaurant industry certainly can't be responsible for fixing any issues with this; it's a symptom of something greater. I just don't think we should accept it as okay. Primarily due to the variability of tipping... I will always need to pay enough to cover the cost of the food and kitchen, so the restaurant is okay. But how can I be certain that the person serving me is taken care of? My individual tip isn't enough, and I know many servers do terribly depending on time and location. I've worked shitty jobs, but I always got paid the same amount by my employer and there were legal frameworks to protect me. Servers don't get the same from us, and I don't think that's alright. We can point to when it works out well for servers, but again, I don't think that's typical.

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red-iron-pine 4y ago

> Servers love tip out. They can make hundreds a night and possibly even what a junior SWE can (pro rata) if they’re good. Bollocks. Maybe at the fanciest, high-end locations, and only on busy days, i.e. Fridays or Saturdays. Maybe a Jr SWE in, like Mississippi, but there is no way even the top 10% of servers are pushing tech hub SWE salaries. And even if the pure-cash gets kind-of close, there is often no healthcare, no 401k, no bennies, no bonus; the TC wouldn't be close at all. Many states only pay $2.18 per hour for tipped jobs; 15/hr would be utterly amazing and 25 would be great. No server I know would ever push back on that, save for the tiny, tiny handful working at high-end locations. Yeah the dude working at the trendy bar in NYC with $33 highballs might be able to pull near six-figures while handling a cocaine habit, but I'd bet my hat that a majority of servers would make more money if they 25/hr.

savingsPossible 4y ago
> Many states only pay $2.18 per hour for tipped jobs; WOW In the US salaries are smaller for tipped jobs??? That is the problem right there. I bet everywhere else, like literally every other country, the minimum wage also applies to waiters

mustacheemperor 4y ago

I think the result of this survey would differ considerably at the pub/cafe in Prineville Oregon vs a steakhouse in downtown San Francisco, and across the country there's a lot more Prinevilles than San Franciscos.