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2 issues in fact, one is TSMC being the only one capable of making these amazing chips and the second is Apple buying their entire supply. Now if any of that co

2 issues in fact, one is TSMC being the only one capable of making these amazing chips and the second is Apple buying their entire supply. Now if any of that counts as a monopoly I don't think so

e40 4y ago
And the entire yield coming from a region of the world that China has said it will annex (at some point).
dom96 4y ago
Why aren't there other companies outbidding Apple?
- bgirard 4y ago
  Presumably they're trying and that's driving up the price for Apple?
- selectodude 4y ago
  Because Apple has more money and higher margins than they do.
- jonplackett 4y ago
  Apple is the only company to sell an insanely highly mass produced product at insanely high prices. Usually you have to pick one or the other. So the reason is that no-one can afford to out bid them.
- seabrookmx 4y ago
  They can't. Apple is the most valuable company in the world and has more cash on hand than many medium sized countries.
  - retard91949 4y ago
    What do you mean "on hand", isn't their net worth mostly the company's stocks which they would have to sell for it to be "on hand"?
    - seabrookmx 4y ago
      > isn't their net worth mostly the company's stocks I think that would better be described as "market cap", which is certainly a much bigger number than "cash on hand." The latter is basically liquid assets, which I think is a much more important metric when we're talking about outbidding competitors for fab space (among other things). > "Cash on hand can be defined as cash deposits at financial institutions that can immediately be withdrawn at any time, and investments maturing in one year or less that are highly liquid and therefore regarded as cash equivalents and reported with or near cash line items" Source: https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/AAPL/apple/cash-on-hand https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/AAPL/apple/cash-on...
- runeks 4y ago
  Because they don't have the money. Apple's net income has been at least $20bn every quarter for the past two years[1]. Both Intel and AMD make a small fraction of that[2][3]. [1] https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/AAPL/apple/net-income https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/AAPL/apple/net-inc... [2] https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/INTC/intel/net-income https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/INTC/intel/net-inc... [3] https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/AMD/amd/net-income https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/AMD/amd/net-income
  - rekoil 4y ago
    Not so much that they don't have the money (they don't, I agree), but the bigger issue is even if they could their margins aren't nearly as good as Apples are.
    - DSingularity 4y ago
      Their potential margins. So they would be taking large risk to potentially make much less.
- shaunsingh0207 4y ago
  To give a slightly different answer, because they don't need to. Intel has their own foundry, AMD is quite happy with whats a fairly recent move to 5 nm. Graphics card manufacturers are more concerned with selling off old cards than making new ones. Apple isn't going to get very good yields out of 3nm and will likely only get to put it in a few products for now, but for a few months they get to say they'll be the biggest baddest company on the block, which is what apple marketing is all about. Qualcomm gets the entire mobile market either way, and for desktop/server manufacturers apple isn't an option. Apple 3nm doesn't directly compete with amd/intel, so why worry
- hajile 4y ago
  Because it's a bad deal. N3 isn't a good node and offers ZERO SRAM scaling. It's a stopgap for N2 GAA. At the same time, chip shipments have dropped like a rock as everyone braces for recession. Nvidia allegedly even tried to cancel most of their N5 orders because they didn't think they could move the chips. Apple is pretty much the only company willing to pay large amounts into a risky market. There may not have even been any serious bids aside from their own.

2 issues in fact, one is TSMC being the only one capable of making these amazing chips and the second is Apple buying their entire supply. Now if any of that counts as a monopoly I don't think so

e40 4y ago

And the entire yield coming from a region of the world that China has said it will annex (at some point).

dom96 4y ago

Why aren't there other companies outbidding Apple?

bgirard 4y ago
Presumably they're trying and that's driving up the price for Apple?
selectodude 4y ago
Because Apple has more money and higher margins than they do.
jonplackett 4y ago
Apple is the only company to sell an insanely highly mass produced product at insanely high prices. Usually you have to pick one or the other. So the reason is that no-one can afford to out bid them.
seabrookmx 4y ago
They can't. Apple is the most valuable company in the world and has more cash on hand than many medium sized countries.
- retard91949 4y ago
  What do you mean "on hand", isn't their net worth mostly the company's stocks which they would have to sell for it to be "on hand"?
  - seabrookmx 4y ago
    > isn't their net worth mostly the company's stocks I think that would better be described as "market cap", which is certainly a much bigger number than "cash on hand." The latter is basically liquid assets, which I think is a much more important metric when we're talking about outbidding competitors for fab space (among other things). > "Cash on hand can be defined as cash deposits at financial institutions that can immediately be withdrawn at any time, and investments maturing in one year or less that are highly liquid and therefore regarded as cash equivalents and reported with or near cash line items" Source: https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/AAPL/apple/cash-on-hand https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/AAPL/apple/cash-on...
runeks 4y ago
Because they don't have the money. Apple's net income has been at least $20bn every quarter for the past two years[1]. Both Intel and AMD make a small fraction of that[2][3]. [1] https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/AAPL/apple/net-income https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/AAPL/apple/net-inc... [2] https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/INTC/intel/net-income https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/INTC/intel/net-inc... [3] https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/AMD/amd/net-income https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/AMD/amd/net-income
- rekoil 4y ago
  Not so much that they don't have the money (they don't, I agree), but the bigger issue is even if they could their margins aren't nearly as good as Apples are.
  - DSingularity 4y ago
    Their potential margins. So they would be taking large risk to potentially make much less.
shaunsingh0207 4y ago
To give a slightly different answer, because they don't need to. Intel has their own foundry, AMD is quite happy with whats a fairly recent move to 5 nm. Graphics card manufacturers are more concerned with selling off old cards than making new ones. Apple isn't going to get very good yields out of 3nm and will likely only get to put it in a few products for now, but for a few months they get to say they'll be the biggest baddest company on the block, which is what apple marketing is all about. Qualcomm gets the entire mobile market either way, and for desktop/server manufacturers apple isn't an option. Apple 3nm doesn't directly compete with amd/intel, so why worry
hajile 4y ago
Because it's a bad deal. N3 isn't a good node and offers ZERO SRAM scaling. It's a stopgap for N2 GAA. At the same time, chip shipments have dropped like a rock as everyone braces for recession. Nvidia allegedly even tried to cancel most of their N5 orders because they didn't think they could move the chips. Apple is pretty much the only company willing to pay large amounts into a risky market. There may not have even been any serious bids aside from their own.