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I think we should really call out Apple and Google for mismanagement here. Imagine if there was the option to play a game for an hour as a free trial, and then

I think we should really call out Apple and Google for mismanagement here. Imagine if there was the option to play a game for an hour as a free trial, and then buy the game instead of having to plunk down $4.99 sight-unseen - or having your game in the Free category with the microtransaction shovelware around it. If I'm the developer who wants users to have any semblance of try-before-you-buy, the free category (with an IAP for "Premium") is the only option. Which is a real shame.

falcolas 4y ago
Games could still do this (via a single one-time "microtransaction"), and some do this. But standard microtransactions are stupidly profitable, enough to tempt most devs. And, frankly, the gaming industry at large has proven that paying up front does not prevent microtransactions. Even in mobile games.
- JohnFen 4y ago
  But the pool has been poisoned already. If I see that an app uses microtransactions, I won't install that app -- so I'd never even know that the microtransaction was to purchase the game outright.
  - falcolas 4y ago
    I get that. But you can preview what micro transactions are offered prior to purchasing, which is progress.
    - JohnFen 4y ago
      Is that an Apple thing? I don't remember seeing anything like that in the android Play Store. That would be useful.
      - falcolas 4y ago
        I thought it was both stores, but yes, I'm referring to the Apple app store.
        JohnFen 4y ago
        I just checked. I don't see anything like this in the Play Store, sadly.
yamtaddle 4y ago
They don't even need to do much, just add a category for developers who want to have a free + single-IAP-to-unlock-the-whole-thing version, and let people search that category specifically. No need for Apple to enforce time limits or anything. The trouble now isn't that demos can't exist, but that it's hard to tell which IAP-bearing apps are just full version unlocks and which are whale-chasing bullshit. For that matter, just segregating games with any "consumable" IAP from those without would probably help a lot.
scarface74 4y ago
It still wouldn’t help. There is nothing stopping a developer from releasing a free game with a single in app purchase that unlocks everything.
branko_d 4y ago
I always wondered why Apple can't implement something similar to Steam refunds. Quote from https://store.steampowered.com/steam_refunds https://store.steampowered.com/steam_refunds: You can request a refund for nearly any purchase on Steam—for any reason. Maybe your PC doesn't meet the hardware requirements; maybe you bought a game by mistake; maybe you played the title for an hour and just didn't like it. It doesn't matter. Valve will, upon request via help.steampowered.com, issue a refund for any reason, if the request is made within the required return period, and, in the case of games, if the title has been played for less than two hours.
- cld8483 4y ago
  For all their faults (Steam is glorified DRM), the people at Valve seem to actually understand gamers and have gaming in their own blood. Apple has never understood gaming and I doubt they ever will.
- JohnFen 4y ago
  I mean, even Google has a policy like this (with a tighter time limit).
Marsymars 4y ago
It's not a well-supported/advertised path, but you can always download a pay-for game for an hour and then get a refund if you don't like it. Google at least used to do automatic refunds if you uninstalled a pay-for app very quickly - I once had that happen with a utility app that I used to convert some stuff - since it worked exactly like I wanted, I re-purchased and left it installed for a few days.
tdeck 4y ago
Mismanagement? Do you realize some people spend tens of thousands of dollars a month on in-game micro transactions? Yes I do mean individual people. These people are basically the entire revenue stream for the Play Store. Of course they're not going to discourage that business model. On a less discouraging note, there is a "try now" button in the Play store that games can implement. You can upload a lightweight version of the game for people to play without installing / paying for the game.

falcolas 4y ago

Games could still do this (via a single one-time "microtransaction"), and some do this. But standard microtransactions are stupidly profitable, enough to tempt most devs. And, frankly, the gaming industry at large has proven that paying up front does not prevent microtransactions. Even in mobile games.

JohnFen 4y ago
But the pool has been poisoned already. If I see that an app uses microtransactions, I won't install that app -- so I'd never even know that the microtransaction was to purchase the game outright.
- falcolas 4y ago
  I get that. But you can preview what micro transactions are offered prior to purchasing, which is progress.
  - JohnFen 4y ago
    Is that an Apple thing? I don't remember seeing anything like that in the android Play Store. That would be useful.
    - falcolas 4y ago
      I thought it was both stores, but yes, I'm referring to the Apple app store.
      - JohnFen 4y ago
        I just checked. I don't see anything like this in the Play Store, sadly.

yamtaddle 4y ago

They don't even need to do much, just add a category for developers who want to have a free + single-IAP-to-unlock-the-whole-thing version, and let people search that category specifically. No need for Apple to enforce time limits or anything. The trouble now isn't that demos can't exist, but that it's hard to tell which IAP-bearing apps are just full version unlocks and which are whale-chasing bullshit. For that matter, just segregating games with any "consumable" IAP from those without would probably help a lot.

scarface74 4y ago

It still wouldn’t help. There is nothing stopping a developer from releasing a free game with a single in app purchase that unlocks everything.

branko_d 4y ago

I always wondered why Apple can't implement something similar to Steam refunds. Quote from https://store.steampowered.com/steam_refunds https://store.steampowered.com/steam_refunds: You can request a refund for nearly any purchase on Steam—for any reason. Maybe your PC doesn't meet the hardware requirements; maybe you bought a game by mistake; maybe you played the title for an hour and just didn't like it. It doesn't matter. Valve will, upon request via help.steampowered.com, issue a refund for any reason, if the request is made within the required return period, and, in the case of games, if the title has been played for less than two hours.

cld8483 4y ago
For all their faults (Steam is glorified DRM), the people at Valve seem to actually understand gamers and have gaming in their own blood. Apple has never understood gaming and I doubt they ever will.
JohnFen 4y ago
I mean, even Google has a policy like this (with a tighter time limit).

Marsymars 4y ago

It's not a well-supported/advertised path, but you can always download a pay-for game for an hour and then get a refund if you don't like it. Google at least used to do automatic refunds if you uninstalled a pay-for app very quickly - I once had that happen with a utility app that I used to convert some stuff - since it worked exactly like I wanted, I re-purchased and left it installed for a few days.

tdeck 4y ago

Mismanagement? Do you realize some people spend tens of thousands of dollars a month on in-game micro transactions? Yes I do mean individual people. These people are basically the entire revenue stream for the Play Store. Of course they're not going to discourage that business model. On a less discouraging note, there is a "try now" button in the Play store that games can implement. You can upload a lightweight version of the game for people to play without installing / paying for the game.