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Intel's Struggles

brucethemoose2 4y ago
Intel's future hinges on graphics and accelerators. They arent going to undercut or outperform ARM... but they can make x86 essential by bundling it with graphics and accelerators you can't really get in the ARM ecosystem, just like AMD.
- PaulHoule 4y ago
  Cheap phone SoCs are packed with accelerators. Can't see anything special about what Intel is offering but if NVIDIA keeps going upmarket Intel might sell a few cards to budget-minded gamers. I was talking to a student the other day who was complaining about the state of FPGA dev tools, if Intel made a serious effort to "disrupt" the space by offering tools that are 10x easier to use (seems possible) it might make a big different. OneAPI looks like a joke though, I mean the whole world is indifferent to OpenCL and Intel isn't making any case that it can turn it around. No way the same API is going to get good results on both the FGPA, CPUs and GPUs.
  - brucethemoose2 4y ago
    OpenVINO (which uses oneapi underneath) works great with Stable Diffusion. Its just like 2 changed lines in PyTorch (pushing to/from the "xpu"), and performance is reportedly good. And the drivers for ARM graphics are not really made for running desktop games and apps. Intel is at least part of the way there.
    - PaulHoule 4y ago
      What about Genshin Impact? That delivers AAA performance on mobile.
      - brucethemoose2 4y ago
        ...maybe? Has anyone tested the desktop version on ARM?
- Kukumber 4y ago
  Their 1st gen is a flop, already building a bad reputation, that'll be hard to recover, unless AMD's RDNA3 gen suspiciously flop too, there is already a lot of FUD about their high end versions despite crushing NVIDIAs so we'll see how it goes RDNA2 does better at gaming than Intel's new GPUs, except for Raytracing, they have a head start to be future proof, but it ends there, they didn't plan out their strategy properly, specially when both their drivers and software sucks Embedded, mobile, consoles, AI, Intel's GPU story there is inexistent
  - brucethemoose2 4y ago
    I dunno, the A750/770 kinda look like the AMD 7950/7970 to me. Slow and power hungry and janky at first, but also aging conspicuously well. But it was late, which is a disaster in the gpu world.
    - Kukumber 4y ago
      Intel's GPU are doing worse than RDNA2 wich is AMD's last gen https://www.techspot.com/review/2561-cod-modern-warfare-2-benchmark/ https://www.techspot.com/review/2561-cod-modern-warfare-2-be...
      - brucethemoose2 4y ago
        Yeah like I said, launch performance is bad, but also changing. The old 7970 also lost to the GTX 580 many launch day benches, even though it was a much bigger/newer GPU. But then it ended up significantly faster than the more expensive GTX 770.

Intel's future hinges on graphics and accelerators. They arent going to undercut or outperform ARM... but they can make x86 essential by bundling it with graphics and accelerators you can't really get in the ARM ecosystem, just like AMD.

PaulHoule 4y ago
Cheap phone SoCs are packed with accelerators. Can't see anything special about what Intel is offering but if NVIDIA keeps going upmarket Intel might sell a few cards to budget-minded gamers. I was talking to a student the other day who was complaining about the state of FPGA dev tools, if Intel made a serious effort to "disrupt" the space by offering tools that are 10x easier to use (seems possible) it might make a big different. OneAPI looks like a joke though, I mean the whole world is indifferent to OpenCL and Intel isn't making any case that it can turn it around. No way the same API is going to get good results on both the FGPA, CPUs and GPUs.
- brucethemoose2 4y ago
  OpenVINO (which uses oneapi underneath) works great with Stable Diffusion. Its just like 2 changed lines in PyTorch (pushing to/from the "xpu"), and performance is reportedly good. And the drivers for ARM graphics are not really made for running desktop games and apps. Intel is at least part of the way there.
  - PaulHoule 4y ago
    What about Genshin Impact? That delivers AAA performance on mobile.
    - brucethemoose2 4y ago
      ...maybe? Has anyone tested the desktop version on ARM?
Kukumber 4y ago
Their 1st gen is a flop, already building a bad reputation, that'll be hard to recover, unless AMD's RDNA3 gen suspiciously flop too, there is already a lot of FUD about their high end versions despite crushing NVIDIAs so we'll see how it goes RDNA2 does better at gaming than Intel's new GPUs, except for Raytracing, they have a head start to be future proof, but it ends there, they didn't plan out their strategy properly, specially when both their drivers and software sucks Embedded, mobile, consoles, AI, Intel's GPU story there is inexistent
- brucethemoose2 4y ago
  I dunno, the A750/770 kinda look like the AMD 7950/7970 to me. Slow and power hungry and janky at first, but also aging conspicuously well. But it was late, which is a disaster in the gpu world.
  - Kukumber 4y ago
    Intel's GPU are doing worse than RDNA2 wich is AMD's last gen https://www.techspot.com/review/2561-cod-modern-warfare-2-benchmark/ https://www.techspot.com/review/2561-cod-modern-warfare-2-be...
    - brucethemoose2 4y ago
      Yeah like I said, launch performance is bad, but also changing. The old 7970 also lost to the GTX 580 many launch day benches, even though it was a much bigger/newer GPU. But then it ended up significantly faster than the more expensive GTX 770.