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WTF are you talking about? From wikipedia: "In several technical fields, in particular computer science, mathematics and physics, TeX has become a de facto st

by logjam 18y ago

WTF are you talking about? From wikipedia: "In several technical fields, in particular computer science, mathematics and physics, TeX has become a de facto standard. Many thousands of books have been published using TeX, including books published by Addison-Wesley, Cambridge University Press, Elsevier, Oxford University Press and Springer. Numerous journals in these fields are produced using TeX or LaTeX, allowing authors to submit their raw manuscript written in TeX." In my field, Tex (used with macro packages) is the standard. We format book chapters and papers for publication using these macros. We communicate with other scientists using the product of these tools. We could easily produce journals and/or books ourselves using these tools, and many people do. They are excellent for that purpose. They are free. They work. They work better than anything else I know. Am I missing something?

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nailer 18y ago
Yes, you missed something. And you're rude. Read my post again. If it still doesn't make sense, realize that most people are not computer scientists, mathematicians, and physicists.
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- Hexstream 18y ago
  So in short you think someone should build a great GUI on top of TeX. Why not?
  - alexkay 18y ago
    http://www.lyx.org/ http://www.lyx.org/
  - nailer 18y ago
    Someone should have done that many years ago, when TeX had a chance of succeeding as a mainstream typesetting language, along with allowing people to use their not-bitmapped, TTF (and later OTF) fonts without conversion tools. I think now it's a little too late.
- logjam 18y ago
  Here's some free advice: never mistake rudeness for intolerance of utter nonsense. But, ok, I read your post again: You: "The primary goal of TeX is 'to allow anybody to produce high-quality books using a reasonable amount of effort'. IT IS CLEARLY BUGGY, AS IT CERTAINLY HAS FAILED AT THAT GOAL." Wikipedia: "Many THOUSANDS of books have been published using TeX, INCLUDING books published by Addison-Wesley, Cambridge University Press, Elsevier, Oxford University Press and Springer..." And here: found in 30 seconds of time spent in Google, are some excerpts of descriptions of what a few other people use Tex for (http://www.tug.org/texshowcase/ http://www.tug.org/texshowcase/: "This is a set of maps that I made for the frontispiece of a bound volume of my mother's journals that she wrote during a sailing trip in the Greek islands..." "It's a poster I made for presenting at a linguistics conference. I was wary about trying to do something like this with LaTeX at my level, but I was astonished at how easy it turned out to be..." "As an experiment, I typeset the second chapter of the book of Esther from the Hebrew Bible. " This is an example of how well TeX can be adapted to all different languages, even typesetting from right to left "I'm attaching two files that use the CJK package to typeset Chinese. " "A piece of Tibetan text which describes the Story of a Brahman and his family." "Another fine typesetting example showing how well TeX can produce beautiful books. It is created with the ConTeXt package." "Inclusion of these submissions in the TeX showcase might be helpful for biologists to venture into learning LaTeX, once they understand what they can do with this wonderful software. I made these figures for an article that was published in The PracTeX Journal." "This Master's Thesis has no math at all. This is my Master's Thesis for sociology..." "...from The Book of Tea by Okakura Kazuko" "Here are a few pages of 352 from a chess book...Typesetting was done by PDFLaTeX..." "The book is Exiles from a Future Time by Alan M. Wald, University of North Carolina Press. The design is by Richard Eckersley, whose achievements in book design have earned him the designation of Royal Designer for Industry by the Royal Society of Arts..." "This is a document that introduces Early Music to all audiences..." "A Music example submitted by Norbert Preining. This is from the Andante KV 315, W.A. Mozart, transcription from D. Taupin..." "An example of a catalog entry automatically created from a vendor's database. You can find it among around 800 siblings at www.erco.com" "From a critical edition of Saranadeva's Durghatavrtti, in Sanskrit..." "These two pages are taken from the Greek edition of Giambattista Bodoni's Manuale Typographico (published by Agra, in 2003), a landmark in the history of typography..." "A page from the book Mikael by Theophan�s Ioannou, published in Greece by Indiktos (May 2003)." "A page from the journal Inscriptiones graecae..." "A text in Judeo-spanish, from The Judeo-Spanish Ballad Chapbooks of Yacob Abaraham Yon..." Now let me ask once again, what did I miss? I'm interested in you citing people who have failed to publish their book(s) because of TeX' failings...or was it "bugs"?

by logjam 18y ago

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nailer 18y ago

Yes, you missed something. And you're rude. Read my post again. If it still doesn't make sense, realize that most people are not computer scientists, mathematicians, and physicists.

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Hexstream 18y ago
So in short you think someone should build a great GUI on top of TeX. Why not?
- alexkay 18y ago
  http://www.lyx.org/ http://www.lyx.org/
- nailer 18y ago
  Someone should have done that many years ago, when TeX had a chance of succeeding as a mainstream typesetting language, along with allowing people to use their not-bitmapped, TTF (and later OTF) fonts without conversion tools. I think now it's a little too late.
logjam 18y ago
Here's some free advice: never mistake rudeness for intolerance of utter nonsense. But, ok, I read your post again: You: "The primary goal of TeX is 'to allow anybody to produce high-quality books using a reasonable amount of effort'. IT IS CLEARLY BUGGY, AS IT CERTAINLY HAS FAILED AT THAT GOAL." Wikipedia: "Many THOUSANDS of books have been published using TeX, INCLUDING books published by Addison-Wesley, Cambridge University Press, Elsevier, Oxford University Press and Springer..." And here: found in 30 seconds of time spent in Google, are some excerpts of descriptions of what a few other people use Tex for (http://www.tug.org/texshowcase/ http://www.tug.org/texshowcase/: "This is a set of maps that I made for the frontispiece of a bound volume of my mother's journals that she wrote during a sailing trip in the Greek islands..." "It's a poster I made for presenting at a linguistics conference. I was wary about trying to do something like this with LaTeX at my level, but I was astonished at how easy it turned out to be..." "As an experiment, I typeset the second chapter of the book of Esther from the Hebrew Bible. " This is an example of how well TeX can be adapted to all different languages, even typesetting from right to left "I'm attaching two files that use the CJK package to typeset Chinese. " "A piece of Tibetan text which describes the Story of a Brahman and his family." "Another fine typesetting example showing how well TeX can produce beautiful books. It is created with the ConTeXt package." "Inclusion of these submissions in the TeX showcase might be helpful for biologists to venture into learning LaTeX, once they understand what they can do with this wonderful software. I made these figures for an article that was published in The PracTeX Journal." "This Master's Thesis has no math at all. This is my Master's Thesis for sociology..." "...from The Book of Tea by Okakura Kazuko" "Here are a few pages of 352 from a chess book...Typesetting was done by PDFLaTeX..." "The book is Exiles from a Future Time by Alan M. Wald, University of North Carolina Press. The design is by Richard Eckersley, whose achievements in book design have earned him the designation of Royal Designer for Industry by the Royal Society of Arts..." "This is a document that introduces Early Music to all audiences..." "A Music example submitted by Norbert Preining. This is from the Andante KV 315, W.A. Mozart, transcription from D. Taupin..." "An example of a catalog entry automatically created from a vendor's database. You can find it among around 800 siblings at www.erco.com" "From a critical edition of Saranadeva's Durghatavrtti, in Sanskrit..." "These two pages are taken from the Greek edition of Giambattista Bodoni's Manuale Typographico (published by Agra, in 2003), a landmark in the history of typography..." "A page from the book Mikael by Theophan�s Ioannou, published in Greece by Indiktos (May 2003)." "A page from the journal Inscriptiones graecae..." "A text in Judeo-spanish, from The Judeo-Spanish Ballad Chapbooks of Yacob Abaraham Yon..." Now let me ask once again, what did I miss? I'm interested in you citing people who have failed to publish their book(s) because of TeX' failings...or was it "bugs"?