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Ubuntu ~always (around 12 years ago) try's to make a proprietary wallet-garden, and fail every single time. It's ridiculous and the complete wrong way to survi

by nix23 4y ago

Ubuntu ~always (around 12 years ago) try's to make a proprietary wallet-garden, and fail every single time. It's ridiculous and the complete wrong way to survive in the the Opensource space. The only thing they have at that point is the name Ubuntu.

causi 4y ago
Do you mean walled garden or is wallet-garden a play on words having to do with financial schemes and open source?
- nix23 4y ago
  >is wallet-garden a play on words having to do with financial schemes and open source? No it means a ->approximation<- of what Google and Apple is doing -> Snapstore/Appstore
  - tkfu 4y ago
    What was being asked is whether you're aware that the correct term is "walled garden" (and saying "wallet-garden" as a play on words), or if "wallet-garden" is a mondegreen[1] for you (also recently referred to as a "bone apple tea" thanks to the popularity of a certain subreddit[2]). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondegreen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondegreen [2] https://www.reddit.com/r/BoneAppleTea/ https://www.reddit.com/r/BoneAppleTea/
sofixa 4y ago
I see Canonical as a slightly worse Red Hat - they both do their own thing for the sake of it being theirs (NIH syndrome to the max), Canonical just occasionally use a proprietary component as an upsell (compared to Red Hat that rely only on an Enterprise sticker as a differentiator). But fundamentally, what exactly is the difference? Both force their newly decided stuff on everyone and all associated distros - be it systemd, podman, dnf, regardless if it's ready or not (podman is still not feature compete with docker, and has regular breaking changes making it hard to for associated tooling to keep up, but it is forced down everyone's throats regardless).
- nix23 4y ago
  Well Red Hat goes it's own way, i am not always a big fan of it, but at least everything they buy and create gets opensource'd. So yeah totally on your side here.
- bonzini 4y ago
  Systemd was integrated in Arch before even Fedora adopted it. Suse does not use dnf and in fact libsolv was originally written by Suse and only then adopted by RH. I just don't see how RH forces them on anybody that isn't a user of Fedora, RHEL and derivatives.

by nix23 4y ago

causi 4y ago

Do you mean walled garden or is wallet-garden a play on words having to do with financial schemes and open source?

nix23 4y ago
>is wallet-garden a play on words having to do with financial schemes and open source? No it means a ->approximation<- of what Google and Apple is doing -> Snapstore/Appstore
- tkfu 4y ago
  What was being asked is whether you're aware that the correct term is "walled garden" (and saying "wallet-garden" as a play on words), or if "wallet-garden" is a mondegreen[1] for you (also recently referred to as a "bone apple tea" thanks to the popularity of a certain subreddit[2]). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondegreen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondegreen [2] https://www.reddit.com/r/BoneAppleTea/ https://www.reddit.com/r/BoneAppleTea/

sofixa 4y ago

I see Canonical as a slightly worse Red Hat - they both do their own thing for the sake of it being theirs (NIH syndrome to the max), Canonical just occasionally use a proprietary component as an upsell (compared to Red Hat that rely only on an Enterprise sticker as a differentiator). But fundamentally, what exactly is the difference? Both force their newly decided stuff on everyone and all associated distros - be it systemd, podman, dnf, regardless if it's ready or not (podman is still not feature compete with docker, and has regular breaking changes making it hard to for associated tooling to keep up, but it is forced down everyone's throats regardless).

nix23 4y ago
Well Red Hat goes it's own way, i am not always a big fan of it, but at least everything they buy and create gets opensource'd. So yeah totally on your side here.
bonzini 4y ago
Systemd was integrated in Arch before even Fedora adopted it. Suse does not use dnf and in fact libsolv was originally written by Suse and only then adopted by RH. I just don't see how RH forces them on anybody that isn't a user of Fedora, RHEL and derivatives.