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This is a huge peorblem across the board. It goes unnoticed in corporate culture as everyone is focused on diversity based on color or origins. There is also a

This is a huge peorblem across the board. It goes unnoticed in corporate culture as everyone is focused on diversity based on color or origins. There is also a major discrimination issue between regions of India. North vs south. I have seen South Indian promote, hire etc other South Indians.

cscurmudgeon 4y ago
Do you have data on how big or small this problem is? (Not opinion pieces, but data). I am sure there must be some relatively objective data somewhere on this. Edit: Ah yes, here come the downvotes as we can’t ask for data on a source of easy virtue signaling :)
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- azzentys 4y ago
  My guess would be that not a lot of people have done work to collect concrete data around it. Problems like these really go unnoticed, even most samples from urban-young crowd in India will say, "why do we need reservation?", "there's no caste discrimination".
- dilawar 4y ago
  Look for Prof. Andre Beteille work. His father was French and mother a Bengali Brahmin (French had a few colonies in India). M N Srinivas has done a lot of empirical work on caste. Every student of anthropology study caste . There is a quite a lot of data on both Indian villages and caste system but caste is the offices is not well studied, IMO. By the way, caste takes a lot of shapes. There have also been attempt to study racial divide in US South from caste perspective (a social category rather than a biological one). PS: I am a high caste Indian living in India who has more than interests in caste system. PPS: Mention of caste triggers most Indians, even those who are not living abroad. My wife (south Indian Brahmins) feels somewhat annoyed with my interest in caste. I won't ask my fellow Indians about caste, ever!! It triggers them more than saying bad thing about Modi.
  - cscurmudgeon 4y ago
    Is any of his work about caste in the US or Seattle? PPS: Mention of caste triggers most Indians, even those who are not living abroad. My wife (south Indian Brahmins) feels somewhat annoyed with my interest in caste. I won't ask my fellow Indians about caste, ever!! It triggers them more than saying bad thing about Modi. I know the feeling. Asking for data on caste discrimination in US triggers the other set of Indians more than saying any good thing about Modi/India.
- mikehotel 4y ago
  https://www.equalitylabs.org/castesurvey/#key-findings https://www.equalitylabs.org/castesurvey/#key-findings “ One of the most striking findings of this report is the exceptionally high rates of discrimination reported by those of Caste-oppressed background in places of employment. 67% of Dalits surveyed in the diaspora reported being treated unfairly at their workplace because of their Caste. 12% of Shudras also report the same. To show this in contrast with other protected classes of people, data from national surveys report that approximately 40% of women experience discrimination in the workplace based on gender. However, unlike categories such as gender, no specific legislation exists to protect people from workplace Caste-ediscrimination. This is an area of concern that companies that work with and hire South Asian American immigrants should consider when crafting HR policies to create safe and equitable workplaces. Employees feel that Caste is not well-understood by other Americans, feel their concerns will not be given weight, and fear being dismissed or suffering other negative consequences to their career. Ultimately, they often do not report their discrimination or correct their situation.”
  - nsenifty 4y ago
    Equality labs survey is anything but scientific. The participants were not carefully sampled. They say it was "community organized", which basically means it was a link that was propagated by activists to like-minded people to participate and pass the link on to. They don't explain their methodology in their report. See a rebuttal here [1] Caste discrimination does exist, but not to the extent the report projects. [1] https://medium.com/@rachelgotham5/equality-labs-caste-report-a-rebuttal-to-a-british-colonial-narrative-replayed-1676068ee2cf https://medium.com/@rachelgotham5/equality-labs-caste-report...
    - mikehotel 4y ago
      Thanks for posting a rebuttal to a survey. Do you have a better source of data or survey results on caste based discrimination?
      - nsenifty 4y ago
        I don't. I've seen this[1] passed around as an evidence to show a much lesser prevalence of caste-based discrimination, but I haven't myself examined this in depth. [1] https://carnegieendowment.org/2021/06/09/social-realities-of-indian-americans-results-from-2020-indian-american-attitudes-survey-pub-84667 https://carnegieendowment.org/2021/06/09/social-realities-of... (search for "Experience With Discrimination") > Muslims report the greatest degree of religious discrimination by far (39 percent), followed by Hindus (18 percent), Christians (15 percent), and believers of other faiths (9 percent). Sixteen percent of Indian Americans report being discriminated against by virtue of their Indian heritage. And, finally, 5 percent of all respondents report having encountered discrimination due to their caste identity.
LewisVerstappen 4y ago
> I have seen South Indian promote, hire etc other South Indians That has nothing to do with Caste... obviously everyone from south india isn't in the same caste North and South indians have completely different languages, foods, cultures, etc. People hire people who are similar to them... hence south indians hiring south indians. Having every indian fill out their caste in their job application doesn't solve that issue. Would probably be a good idea for you to read up on indian culture before you lecture us on what our issues are.
- apple10 4y ago
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  - LewisVerstappen 4y ago
    No. I'm saying that's the issue that needs to be tackled. Having every indian fill out their Caste on a form doesn't address the actual issue.
pewpew2020 4y ago
Mainland chinese hire other mainland chinese. I dont see people complaining about them >>> I have seen South Indian promote, hire etc other South Indians. Are you saying somehow they are gaming the system and getting them in. If everything is above board, how is it a problem?

cscurmudgeon 4y ago

Do you have data on how big or small this problem is? (Not opinion pieces, but data). I am sure there must be some relatively objective data somewhere on this. Edit: Ah yes, here come the downvotes as we can’t ask for data on a source of easy virtue signaling :)

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azzentys 4y ago
My guess would be that not a lot of people have done work to collect concrete data around it. Problems like these really go unnoticed, even most samples from urban-young crowd in India will say, "why do we need reservation?", "there's no caste discrimination".
dilawar 4y ago
Look for Prof. Andre Beteille work. His father was French and mother a Bengali Brahmin (French had a few colonies in India). M N Srinivas has done a lot of empirical work on caste. Every student of anthropology study caste . There is a quite a lot of data on both Indian villages and caste system but caste is the offices is not well studied, IMO. By the way, caste takes a lot of shapes. There have also been attempt to study racial divide in US South from caste perspective (a social category rather than a biological one). PS: I am a high caste Indian living in India who has more than interests in caste system. PPS: Mention of caste triggers most Indians, even those who are not living abroad. My wife (south Indian Brahmins) feels somewhat annoyed with my interest in caste. I won't ask my fellow Indians about caste, ever!! It triggers them more than saying bad thing about Modi.
- cscurmudgeon 4y ago
  Is any of his work about caste in the US or Seattle? PPS: Mention of caste triggers most Indians, even those who are not living abroad. My wife (south Indian Brahmins) feels somewhat annoyed with my interest in caste. I won't ask my fellow Indians about caste, ever!! It triggers them more than saying bad thing about Modi. I know the feeling. Asking for data on caste discrimination in US triggers the other set of Indians more than saying any good thing about Modi/India.
mikehotel 4y ago
https://www.equalitylabs.org/castesurvey/#key-findings https://www.equalitylabs.org/castesurvey/#key-findings “ One of the most striking findings of this report is the exceptionally high rates of discrimination reported by those of Caste-oppressed background in places of employment. 67% of Dalits surveyed in the diaspora reported being treated unfairly at their workplace because of their Caste. 12% of Shudras also report the same. To show this in contrast with other protected classes of people, data from national surveys report that approximately 40% of women experience discrimination in the workplace based on gender. However, unlike categories such as gender, no specific legislation exists to protect people from workplace Caste-ediscrimination. This is an area of concern that companies that work with and hire South Asian American immigrants should consider when crafting HR policies to create safe and equitable workplaces. Employees feel that Caste is not well-understood by other Americans, feel their concerns will not be given weight, and fear being dismissed or suffering other negative consequences to their career. Ultimately, they often do not report their discrimination or correct their situation.”
- nsenifty 4y ago
  Equality labs survey is anything but scientific. The participants were not carefully sampled. They say it was "community organized", which basically means it was a link that was propagated by activists to like-minded people to participate and pass the link on to. They don't explain their methodology in their report. See a rebuttal here [1] Caste discrimination does exist, but not to the extent the report projects. [1] https://medium.com/@rachelgotham5/equality-labs-caste-report-a-rebuttal-to-a-british-colonial-narrative-replayed-1676068ee2cf https://medium.com/@rachelgotham5/equality-labs-caste-report...
  - mikehotel 4y ago
    Thanks for posting a rebuttal to a survey. Do you have a better source of data or survey results on caste based discrimination?
    - nsenifty 4y ago
      I don't. I've seen this[1] passed around as an evidence to show a much lesser prevalence of caste-based discrimination, but I haven't myself examined this in depth. [1] https://carnegieendowment.org/2021/06/09/social-realities-of-indian-americans-results-from-2020-indian-american-attitudes-survey-pub-84667 https://carnegieendowment.org/2021/06/09/social-realities-of... (search for "Experience With Discrimination") > Muslims report the greatest degree of religious discrimination by far (39 percent), followed by Hindus (18 percent), Christians (15 percent), and believers of other faiths (9 percent). Sixteen percent of Indian Americans report being discriminated against by virtue of their Indian heritage. And, finally, 5 percent of all respondents report having encountered discrimination due to their caste identity.

LewisVerstappen 4y ago

> I have seen South Indian promote, hire etc other South Indians That has nothing to do with Caste... obviously everyone from south india isn't in the same caste North and South indians have completely different languages, foods, cultures, etc. People hire people who are similar to them... hence south indians hiring south indians. Having every indian fill out their caste in their job application doesn't solve that issue. Would probably be a good idea for you to read up on indian culture before you lecture us on what our issues are.

apple10 4y ago
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- LewisVerstappen 4y ago
  No. I'm saying that's the issue that needs to be tackled. Having every indian fill out their Caste on a form doesn't address the actual issue.

pewpew2020 4y ago

Mainland chinese hire other mainland chinese. I dont see people complaining about them >>> I have seen South Indian promote, hire etc other South Indians. Are you saying somehow they are gaming the system and getting them in. If everything is above board, how is it a problem?