I see your point, but I still think this is a matter of preference and priorities. I stand by the original argument that for most people, a minor twitch of the

I see your point, but I still think this is a matter of preference and priorities. I stand by the original argument that for most people, a minor twitch of their fingers on the trackpad reveals this information if they want it. I very rarely do want this though, and on average I prefer that it's not shown by default, or until I move. This discussion was prompted by a UI fail in presenting relevant security information. Relying on permanent scroll bars would still be a UX fail, even if it were the default on Macs.