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> Wagner group, Russia's private mercenaries leading the charge in Bahkmut are run by neo Nazi's don't you Don't know why you didn't mention Rusich as an obvio

> Wagner group, Russia's private mercenaries leading the charge in Bahkmut are run by neo Nazi's don't you Don't know why you didn't mention Rusich as an obvious example of Nazis, but ok, let's say Wagner group is Nazi. So what? They are not part of official military forces of Russia, unlike Azov in Ukraine. Moreover such people in Russia are very much frowned upon to say the least, especially in by official soldiers. But hey, if they can help on the frontline without good people risking their lives, why not let them. > The whole "we're saving them from the Nazi's" was a constructed lie to sell to the ignorant and reactionary So the bombing of Donbas, Alley of angels, countless reports of Ukraine violating Minsk agreements, Ukrainian and European officials admitting Minsk agreements were a lie, cutting of civilian infrastructure, tortures, kidnappings, people loosing whole livelihoods for dreadful 8 years is lie. Seems legit.

mopsi 4y ago
> So the bombing of Donbas, Alley of angels, countless reports of Ukraine violating Minsk agreements, Ukrainian and European officials admitting Minsk agreements were a lie, cutting of civilian infrastructure, tortures, kidnappings, people loosing whole livelihoods for dreadful 8 years is lie. It is. Nazis had a long list of manufactured complaints against Poland too to justify invasion, doesn't require much effort to make up stuff like this.
- akamaine 4y ago
  I advise you pay a visit to Donbas and talk to people there before claiming their suffering is a lie. Might clarify something in this conflict like it did for this wonderful lady: https://youtube.com/watch?v=0OysQ7yQl_o https://youtube.com/watch?v=0OysQ7yQl_o
  - _kbh_ 4y ago
    > I advise you pay a visit to Donbas and talk to people there before claiming their suffering is a lie. Might clarify something in this conflict like it did for this wonderful lady: https://youtube.com/watch?v=0OysQ7yQl_o https://youtube.com/watch?v=0OysQ7yQl_o A yes, looking at that guys channel he is totally not just spewing pro Russian propaganda. And googling his name he doesn't seem super reliable. https://www.thedailybeast.com/florida-fugitive-john-mark-dougan-heads-into-ukraine-war-zone-to-prove-bioweapons-conspiracy https://www.thedailybeast.com/florida-fugitive-john-mark-dou...
    - akamaine 4y ago
      > assuming The daily beast is a reliable source
      - _kbh_ 4y ago
        id say they are more reliable then the guy is putting obvious Russian propaganda out on his channel.
        akamaine 4y ago
        Since when one propaganda is more reliable than the other propaganda? The source you are citing doesn't even pretend to be objective, the language they use is very polarizing, not mentioning the ad hominem the article is full of. I tell what... instead of trying to appeal to authority (which is a fallacy of course), try looking at the information itself. We are all grown people, we can judge for ourselves what is bullshit and what's not, right? The video was about a former anti-war anti-"russian-aggression" protester who visited Donbas which led to her reevaluation of the whole situation. Can you find any evidence of this being bullshit? Maybe she wasn't a protester, maybe she hasn't been to Donbas, maybe people she talked to were paid actors and graves in children playground are just fancy decorations for a twisted play? If you have proof go ahead and present it. Your attempts at discrediting the source are ridiculous. Just because the boy cried "wolves" before with none to be seen, doesn't mean the wolves are not there this time around.
        _kbh_ 4y ago
        > I tell what... instead of trying to appeal to authority (which is a fallacy of course), try looking at the information itself. We are all grown people, we can judge for ourselves what is bullshit and what's not, right? You literally tried to appeal to an authority yourself, but your authority is someone who unashamedly just pushes Russian propaganda. But if you believe the fairy tails the Russians tell, like the Ukrainian black magic battalions, or the bio lab generated mutant super soldiers, or maybe its the Russian insistence they wouldn't invade then I don't even know what to say. > Your attempts at discrediting the source are ridiculous. Just because the boy cried "wolves" before with none to be seen, doesn't mean the wolves are not there this time around. Your source doesn't need discrediting because it has no credibility.

mopsi 4y ago

> So the bombing of Donbas, Alley of angels, countless reports of Ukraine violating Minsk agreements, Ukrainian and European officials admitting Minsk agreements were a lie, cutting of civilian infrastructure, tortures, kidnappings, people loosing whole livelihoods for dreadful 8 years is lie. It is. Nazis had a long list of manufactured complaints against Poland too to justify invasion, doesn't require much effort to make up stuff like this.

akamaine 4y ago
I advise you pay a visit to Donbas and talk to people there before claiming their suffering is a lie. Might clarify something in this conflict like it did for this wonderful lady: https://youtube.com/watch?v=0OysQ7yQl_o https://youtube.com/watch?v=0OysQ7yQl_o
- _kbh_ 4y ago
  > I advise you pay a visit to Donbas and talk to people there before claiming their suffering is a lie. Might clarify something in this conflict like it did for this wonderful lady: https://youtube.com/watch?v=0OysQ7yQl_o https://youtube.com/watch?v=0OysQ7yQl_o A yes, looking at that guys channel he is totally not just spewing pro Russian propaganda. And googling his name he doesn't seem super reliable. https://www.thedailybeast.com/florida-fugitive-john-mark-dougan-heads-into-ukraine-war-zone-to-prove-bioweapons-conspiracy https://www.thedailybeast.com/florida-fugitive-john-mark-dou...
  - akamaine 4y ago
    > assuming The daily beast is a reliable source
    - _kbh_ 4y ago
      id say they are more reliable then the guy is putting obvious Russian propaganda out on his channel.
      - akamaine 4y ago
        Since when one propaganda is more reliable than the other propaganda? The source you are citing doesn't even pretend to be objective, the language they use is very polarizing, not mentioning the ad hominem the article is full of. I tell what... instead of trying to appeal to authority (which is a fallacy of course), try looking at the information itself. We are all grown people, we can judge for ourselves what is bullshit and what's not, right? The video was about a former anti-war anti-"russian-aggression" protester who visited Donbas which led to her reevaluation of the whole situation. Can you find any evidence of this being bullshit? Maybe she wasn't a protester, maybe she hasn't been to Donbas, maybe people she talked to were paid actors and graves in children playground are just fancy decorations for a twisted play? If you have proof go ahead and present it. Your attempts at discrediting the source are ridiculous. Just because the boy cried "wolves" before with none to be seen, doesn't mean the wolves are not there this time around.
        _kbh_ 4y ago
        > I tell what... instead of trying to appeal to authority (which is a fallacy of course), try looking at the information itself. We are all grown people, we can judge for ourselves what is bullshit and what's not, right? You literally tried to appeal to an authority yourself, but your authority is someone who unashamedly just pushes Russian propaganda. But if you believe the fairy tails the Russians tell, like the Ukrainian black magic battalions, or the bio lab generated mutant super soldiers, or maybe its the Russian insistence they wouldn't invade then I don't even know what to say. > Your attempts at discrediting the source are ridiculous. Just because the boy cried "wolves" before with none to be seen, doesn't mean the wolves are not there this time around. Your source doesn't need discrediting because it has no credibility.