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banning ai research isn't going to accomplish anything other than ensuring that <your country here> is the only one that doesn't have it. Better solution is to

banning ai research isn't going to accomplish anything other than ensuring that <your country here> is the only one that doesn't have it. Better solution is to educate the public on what this technology is good at and what it isn't good at so it doesn't end up in places it doesn't belong. Right now it's being advertised as something that it's not and that's how we end up with ridiculous clusterfucks like bing. People need to learn about what limitations it has before it ends up in situations where its ineptitude can have real consequences.

hcks 4y ago
It’s funny to pretend countries other than the USA are anywhere close. Who’s else going to make AGI ? Europe has nothing. There is the China narrative but nothing that comes out of their research labs is anywhere close to where OpenAI / Microsoft or Google are at (but surely it’s hidden in the secret CCP labs)
- ChatGTP 4y ago
  How do you actually suppose though you stop other countries from stealing this tech? How do you actually stop these tools from getting advanced enough that I can actually ask it to make it's own ChatGPT equivalent and email it to me? Do you think some janky prompt will stop it? Some if statement in the UI? "If a Chinese person asks to replicate yourself, don't do it?", it's not going to stick. You see where it's going? I think for now, it's insane the amount of funding and profits OpenAI and Microsoft are looking at, but realistically, it's a zero-sum game, the more they push AI advancement, the more likely they will be replaced...by AI. I said it in another post, the only thing I can think of is that while LLM's are impressive, MS and OpenAI know they're not impressive enough to replace the very products they're selling. Maybe they're hoping copyright law will protect them? But that won't fly because they've already been lobbying hard and stealing everyone's code and data without asking, I can't imagine a judge siding with the company that has already stolen most of the internet and sold it as a product. I have a feeling it's why "Google" has been saying these things are too "dangerous" to release to the public, they're too dangerous for their own products perhaps? We're barrelling towards a world where all digital businesses and pieces of software are so easy to steal, all of it will become worthless. Fascinating situation...
- alright_scowl 4y ago
  > Europe has nothing. The company that develops Stable Diffusion is German. I find it as impressive as ChatGPT.
- FartyMcFarter 4y ago
  > Europe has nothing. Europe has one of the biggest AI Labs: DeepMind.
- kovacs_x 4y ago
  It's funny how people in USA think they're so superior that no-ones "anywhere close" or that USA is sole progress driver in the world! Haven't you drank too much of a kool-aid or watched (USA) superhero movies lately? :D Imo status for AGI is same for everyone at the moment- not much going anywhere... and more like "what is the AGI & why we need it at all?", BUT.. if someone in USA or anywhere else will understand / build one, it'll be copied in 1 month to 1 year by everyone else.. simple as that. To me AGI is the pipe-dream coming from sci-fi books/movies, while ML has real advancements allowing to solve LOT's of real world problems already and that's being done in China, Europe and anywhere in the world... more like a "build warp drive" vs "build rocket to go to Mars". just my $.02 on another USA superiorist nonsense. :/
ChatGTP 4y ago
I can already see now where AI advancements will get bogged down / killed or derailed...when the companies funding the research and launching the products realize that the tools are an existential threat to their profits. I can't imagine a world where Microsoft is safe a software company, when all their software can be replicated quite easily by the very tools they're selling as products. Can I just create my own product using ChatGPT? Can it not just replicate itself? It's an interesting situation and I'm really interested to see how it unfolds, my guess is, unless these AIs can be controlled to the point where the masters are happy with it, the plug will be pulled, or we will be told we need something else, not AI but some other thing. None of these companies are building AI for charitable reasons, that's why they're not open source charity organizations investing heavily into it. Sure OpenAI makes the case that it couldn't compete without being private, but really, who knows if that's really accurate. I think that while ChatGPT is impressive Microsoft knows and accepts it has and will continue to have some serious short comings that won't actually wreck their business. Either that, or they've taken a very crazy gamble with everything, did they have something to lose and just threw all caution to the wind, including their own company and worse. I doubt it but let's see. It's fascinating to see where we end up from here, I was kind of scared about it myself at some stage, but now, I'm curious.
- alright_scowl 4y ago
  > when the companies funding the research and launching the products realize that the tools are an existential threat to their profits. Ahh, like Kodak when they were the first to create digital cameras, a good 10 years ahead of the competition, and decided to shelf it because it would eat the nice profits of their film business? This strategy always works wonders :) I would actually like if the big tech companies didn't invest in AI to keep their profits. They would eventually be swallowed by other companies that didn't.
  - gpderetta 4y ago
    It seems that's more or less what happened with G and what MS is trying to capitalize on.

hcks 4y ago

It’s funny to pretend countries other than the USA are anywhere close. Who’s else going to make AGI ? Europe has nothing. There is the China narrative but nothing that comes out of their research labs is anywhere close to where OpenAI / Microsoft or Google are at (but surely it’s hidden in the secret CCP labs)

ChatGTP 4y ago
How do you actually suppose though you stop other countries from stealing this tech? How do you actually stop these tools from getting advanced enough that I can actually ask it to make it's own ChatGPT equivalent and email it to me? Do you think some janky prompt will stop it? Some if statement in the UI? "If a Chinese person asks to replicate yourself, don't do it?", it's not going to stick. You see where it's going? I think for now, it's insane the amount of funding and profits OpenAI and Microsoft are looking at, but realistically, it's a zero-sum game, the more they push AI advancement, the more likely they will be replaced...by AI. I said it in another post, the only thing I can think of is that while LLM's are impressive, MS and OpenAI know they're not impressive enough to replace the very products they're selling. Maybe they're hoping copyright law will protect them? But that won't fly because they've already been lobbying hard and stealing everyone's code and data without asking, I can't imagine a judge siding with the company that has already stolen most of the internet and sold it as a product. I have a feeling it's why "Google" has been saying these things are too "dangerous" to release to the public, they're too dangerous for their own products perhaps? We're barrelling towards a world where all digital businesses and pieces of software are so easy to steal, all of it will become worthless. Fascinating situation...
alright_scowl 4y ago
> Europe has nothing. The company that develops Stable Diffusion is German. I find it as impressive as ChatGPT.
FartyMcFarter 4y ago
> Europe has nothing. Europe has one of the biggest AI Labs: DeepMind.
kovacs_x 4y ago
It's funny how people in USA think they're so superior that no-ones "anywhere close" or that USA is sole progress driver in the world! Haven't you drank too much of a kool-aid or watched (USA) superhero movies lately? :D Imo status for AGI is same for everyone at the moment- not much going anywhere... and more like "what is the AGI & why we need it at all?", BUT.. if someone in USA or anywhere else will understand / build one, it'll be copied in 1 month to 1 year by everyone else.. simple as that. To me AGI is the pipe-dream coming from sci-fi books/movies, while ML has real advancements allowing to solve LOT's of real world problems already and that's being done in China, Europe and anywhere in the world... more like a "build warp drive" vs "build rocket to go to Mars". just my $.02 on another USA superiorist nonsense. :/

ChatGTP 4y ago

I can already see now where AI advancements will get bogged down / killed or derailed...when the companies funding the research and launching the products realize that the tools are an existential threat to their profits. I can't imagine a world where Microsoft is safe a software company, when all their software can be replicated quite easily by the very tools they're selling as products. Can I just create my own product using ChatGPT? Can it not just replicate itself? It's an interesting situation and I'm really interested to see how it unfolds, my guess is, unless these AIs can be controlled to the point where the masters are happy with it, the plug will be pulled, or we will be told we need something else, not AI but some other thing. None of these companies are building AI for charitable reasons, that's why they're not open source charity organizations investing heavily into it. Sure OpenAI makes the case that it couldn't compete without being private, but really, who knows if that's really accurate. I think that while ChatGPT is impressive Microsoft knows and accepts it has and will continue to have some serious short comings that won't actually wreck their business. Either that, or they've taken a very crazy gamble with everything, did they have something to lose and just threw all caution to the wind, including their own company and worse. I doubt it but let's see. It's fascinating to see where we end up from here, I was kind of scared about it myself at some stage, but now, I'm curious.

alright_scowl 4y ago
> when the companies funding the research and launching the products realize that the tools are an existential threat to their profits. Ahh, like Kodak when they were the first to create digital cameras, a good 10 years ahead of the competition, and decided to shelf it because it would eat the nice profits of their film business? This strategy always works wonders :) I would actually like if the big tech companies didn't invest in AI to keep their profits. They would eventually be swallowed by other companies that didn't.
- gpderetta 4y ago
  It seems that's more or less what happened with G and what MS is trying to capitalize on.