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> ARM has never and will never touch the desktop market That’s a bold statement as I type all day on an M1 Mac. My FT100 company just made the leap to them as

by pnpnp 4y ago

> ARM has never and will never touch the desktop market That’s a bold statement as I type all day on an M1 Mac. My FT100 company just made the leap to them as dev machines.

r00fus 4y ago
My company has entire teams and regions that do NOT buy PCs and only Mac laptop for employees. Started with the M-series.
- feanaro 4y ago
  I think you mean "Do not buy Windows computers". Macs are also PCs.
  - 314 4y ago
    To be fair that whole boat sailed with the "I'm a mac he is PC" series of adverts.
    - feanaro 4y ago
      Ah, I'm not in the US so I avoided those ads.
BlueTankEngine 4y ago
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- silisili 4y ago
  > It proves my point beautifully when the only response to my comment Your comment was beyond ignorant, and wrong. Most folks here are too smart, or busy, to reply to such nonsense. I am neither. ARM is by far the most shipped and used arch every year. AMZ is even going in heavier on it. It's not legacy tech at all. So a person decided to show you how wrong you were, by listing what's probably the most impressive chip in all of our lifetimes, and it's guess what, ARM. > Obviously I was referring to Linux/Windows workstations The creator of Linux is using an ARM machine as a workstation today, AFAIK. > if everyone was smart enough to pick up on that I wouldn't be paid as much as I am If you're making more than a burger flipper at Wendy's, the world just isn't fair.
  - ksec 4y ago
    The unwritten rule of HN: You do not criticise The Rusted Holy Grail and the Riscy Silver Bullet.
    - 314 4y ago
      ssshhhhhh, the Rust Evangelism Squad will hear you.
  - monocasa 4y ago
    The one viable server ARM CPU core is now tied up in a Qualcomm-ARM legal spat and probably won't see the light of day and made it pretty clear to anyone not grandfathered in like Apple that it's not worth designing your own ARM core. ARM itself has been hemorrhaging employees both because of better offers from Apple and the RISC-V stealths, and because since the SoftBank push to get their money back has simply been a worse and worse place to work. Their ability to execute is extremely compromised. Because if the long tail of the hardware industry, the writing can be on the wall long before it's clear based on what you can go out and buy off a shelf today.
    - klelatti 4y ago
      I get it that you want RISC-V to succeed - so do I - and to advocate for it but I really don’t understand why it needs this sort of comment about Arm. I see exaggerated criticism of the Arm ISA elsewhere from people who ought to know better too - it’s really CISC, it’s 5000 pages vs 2 for RISC-V etc. It’s just not necessary.
      - monocasa 4y ago
        I mean, nothing I said is exaggerated here. ARM doesn't even have a viable server core that can compete with x86 even as vaporware. SoftBank ruins everything they touch, and is super focused at the moment on stealing from Peter to pay Paul to get something out of the upcoming ARM IPO since their attempt to sell it off to Nvidia fell through. The rumor is they've been cutting R&D funding hard to get temporarily boost profitability. If anything this is more a dig at how vulture capitalism ruins productive companies. As an aside, ARM has always been a hybrid CISC/RISC core. It has nothing to do with the number of instructions, but the fact that not having an I$ on the ARM1 forced it to have microcoded instructions to mainly to support LDM/STM. That's not a dig at ARM. It's a valid design; particularly at that gate count.
- mort96 4y ago
  The M1/M2 Macs run Linux pretty well. It's not perfect yet, but perfectly usable (especially as a desktop machine!) and support is improving every day. I believe you're trying to move goalposts to avoid admitting you're wrong.

by pnpnp 4y ago

> ARM has never and will never touch the desktop market That’s a bold statement as I type all day on an M1 Mac. My FT100 company just made the leap to them as dev machines.

r00fus 4y ago

My company has entire teams and regions that do NOT buy PCs and only Mac laptop for employees. Started with the M-series.

feanaro 4y ago
I think you mean "Do not buy Windows computers". Macs are also PCs.
- 314 4y ago
  To be fair that whole boat sailed with the "I'm a mac he is PC" series of adverts.
  - feanaro 4y ago
    Ah, I'm not in the US so I avoided those ads.

BlueTankEngine 4y ago

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silisili 4y ago
> It proves my point beautifully when the only response to my comment Your comment was beyond ignorant, and wrong. Most folks here are too smart, or busy, to reply to such nonsense. I am neither. ARM is by far the most shipped and used arch every year. AMZ is even going in heavier on it. It's not legacy tech at all. So a person decided to show you how wrong you were, by listing what's probably the most impressive chip in all of our lifetimes, and it's guess what, ARM. > Obviously I was referring to Linux/Windows workstations The creator of Linux is using an ARM machine as a workstation today, AFAIK. > if everyone was smart enough to pick up on that I wouldn't be paid as much as I am If you're making more than a burger flipper at Wendy's, the world just isn't fair.
- ksec 4y ago
  The unwritten rule of HN: You do not criticise The Rusted Holy Grail and the Riscy Silver Bullet.
  - 314 4y ago
    ssshhhhhh, the Rust Evangelism Squad will hear you.
- monocasa 4y ago
  The one viable server ARM CPU core is now tied up in a Qualcomm-ARM legal spat and probably won't see the light of day and made it pretty clear to anyone not grandfathered in like Apple that it's not worth designing your own ARM core. ARM itself has been hemorrhaging employees both because of better offers from Apple and the RISC-V stealths, and because since the SoftBank push to get their money back has simply been a worse and worse place to work. Their ability to execute is extremely compromised. Because if the long tail of the hardware industry, the writing can be on the wall long before it's clear based on what you can go out and buy off a shelf today.
  - klelatti 4y ago
    I get it that you want RISC-V to succeed - so do I - and to advocate for it but I really don’t understand why it needs this sort of comment about Arm. I see exaggerated criticism of the Arm ISA elsewhere from people who ought to know better too - it’s really CISC, it’s 5000 pages vs 2 for RISC-V etc. It’s just not necessary.
    - monocasa 4y ago
      I mean, nothing I said is exaggerated here. ARM doesn't even have a viable server core that can compete with x86 even as vaporware. SoftBank ruins everything they touch, and is super focused at the moment on stealing from Peter to pay Paul to get something out of the upcoming ARM IPO since their attempt to sell it off to Nvidia fell through. The rumor is they've been cutting R&D funding hard to get temporarily boost profitability. If anything this is more a dig at how vulture capitalism ruins productive companies. As an aside, ARM has always been a hybrid CISC/RISC core. It has nothing to do with the number of instructions, but the fact that not having an I$ on the ARM1 forced it to have microcoded instructions to mainly to support LDM/STM. That's not a dig at ARM. It's a valid design; particularly at that gate count.
mort96 4y ago
The M1/M2 Macs run Linux pretty well. It's not perfect yet, but perfectly usable (especially as a desktop machine!) and support is improving every day. I believe you're trying to move goalposts to avoid admitting you're wrong.