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> You could probably say this about anything that improves productivity. AI does not improve productivity in the technical sense. Productivity improvements are

> You could probably say this about anything that improves productivity. AI does not improve productivity in the technical sense. Productivity improvements are the result of using better tools. I would classify better tools as force multipliers. AI is a force replacement as far as I'm concerned. If I'm using stable diffusion, I'm not painting, I'm writing prompts and hoping I get what I want. It's as far removed from the actual practice as it can be.

greesil 4y ago
I can produce more articles, or legal filings, more SEO spam, faster. That seems like a productivity gain.
- hresvelgr 4y ago
  Well, you aren't, ChatGPT is. In spirit, it's the equivalent of asking someone else to do a job for you. You wouldn't claim you wrote that article, legal filing, SEO spam, etc, you'd say an AI did it. If you used Photoshop to manipulate an image over using MS Paint, you wouldn't say that Photoshop made the image for you, because it didn't, you did. Grammarly doesn't write your articles for you, you do. They just maximise your efforts.
  - Centigonal 4y ago
    You're asserting that ChatGPT is closer to a person than a tool. I don't think this is a settled debate yet.
    - hresvelgr 4y ago
      I wouldn't say it's closer to a person, more simply that to claim it's work verbatim and without substantial modification as your own is perhaps dubious and not entirely honest. Even then, "substantial modification" is somewhat arbitrary. Definitely an interesting philosophical topic.
    - greesil 4y ago
      You're serious?
      - Centigonal 4y ago
        Yes. I'm not saying LLMs are sentient (corporations are people and similarly not sentient, under the traditional definition of the word), I'm saying there's an active debate on how to view AI, especially in the context of attribution.
  - sdenton4 4y ago
    Eh, the way I've used these tools are so interactive and iterative that I would absolutely say the output is my work, or at most a collaboration. Did you dig the hole, or the backhoe you were driving?
  - greesil 4y ago
    That's what a tool is. I plowed my field with a diesel engine pushing my tractor. Clearly I pay the tractor an hourly rate.
hypertele-Xii 4y ago
You can marry exactly as much actual practice into it as you want. Paint with the AI, not just expect the AI to paint for you. Modern DJ decks have an auto-mixing switch. DJs still exist and use that switch when they need to take a bathroom break, etc. Prompt-writing is to interacting with AI as the command line is to using Photoshop - an early UI to a new tech.

greesil 4y ago

I can produce more articles, or legal filings, more SEO spam, faster. That seems like a productivity gain.

hresvelgr 4y ago
Well, you aren't, ChatGPT is. In spirit, it's the equivalent of asking someone else to do a job for you. You wouldn't claim you wrote that article, legal filing, SEO spam, etc, you'd say an AI did it. If you used Photoshop to manipulate an image over using MS Paint, you wouldn't say that Photoshop made the image for you, because it didn't, you did. Grammarly doesn't write your articles for you, you do. They just maximise your efforts.
- Centigonal 4y ago
  You're asserting that ChatGPT is closer to a person than a tool. I don't think this is a settled debate yet.
  - hresvelgr 4y ago
    I wouldn't say it's closer to a person, more simply that to claim it's work verbatim and without substantial modification as your own is perhaps dubious and not entirely honest. Even then, "substantial modification" is somewhat arbitrary. Definitely an interesting philosophical topic.
  - greesil 4y ago
    You're serious?
    - Centigonal 4y ago
      Yes. I'm not saying LLMs are sentient (corporations are people and similarly not sentient, under the traditional definition of the word), I'm saying there's an active debate on how to view AI, especially in the context of attribution.
- sdenton4 4y ago
  Eh, the way I've used these tools are so interactive and iterative that I would absolutely say the output is my work, or at most a collaboration. Did you dig the hole, or the backhoe you were driving?
- greesil 4y ago
  That's what a tool is. I plowed my field with a diesel engine pushing my tractor. Clearly I pay the tractor an hourly rate.

hypertele-Xii 4y ago

You can marry exactly as much actual practice into it as you want. Paint with the AI, not just expect the AI to paint for you. Modern DJ decks have an auto-mixing switch. DJs still exist and use that switch when they need to take a bathroom break, etc. Prompt-writing is to interacting with AI as the command line is to using Photoshop - an early UI to a new tech.